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Impressions : Yulong Headphone System

guystp

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I've been given a very enjoyable opportunity to try out and give a "user" review on the Yulong A18 headphone amp, the D18 Dac, the U18 USB interface, and the new P18 power supply, along with Yulong's new power cords, the A230/D230's.
As I'm relatively new to the headphone end of audio, I've been involved in home audio gear for way more years than I care to mention. That would be giving away my age! My situation for listening is as follows: dedicated music room right next to our living room, with glass panelled french doors separating the two rooms. Normally this setup works quite well, but I tend to enjoy listening at higher levels than my wife appreciates sitting in the next room trying to watch her television programs. The obvious solution was to get a pair of headphones.
I started with a pair of Bose on ear, folding headphones. the model number escapes me at the moment, but anyway, the idea was that I could use them at work as well. That didn't work out so well as the were a little too cumbersome for work. I gave the Bose to my wife for use with her computer, and got some AKG Q701's, which sound very nice but in my opinion are a tad weak in the bottom end. Seeing as I'm a tube guy, naturally I got a tube headphone amp, the ASL MG-Head OTL MK111DT. This is a nice match, but I wanted to upgrade the headphone and ended up with a pair of Audeze LCD2 Rev.2's. These cans suit my listening preferences very well. Deep tight bass, lush mids, and the top end is very easy to take, although some people feel they roll off too quickly. With the ASL amp, the LCD2's seem to have a slightly muddy bass. I put this off to the amp being a tube amp. I easily could have lived with this setup, but after spending way too much time on the internet reading on amps, I decided to try a new amp.
The Yulong comes in to the picture at this point. After all my reading, I was left with the Violectric V200 or the Yulong U18. Being a tube guy, I wanted an amp that would deliver a smooth, warm sound. From my understanding, both of my final picks deliver pretty well what I was looking for, but the Yulong had a big advantage. I could buy it from GF. From the great service I've always received, this was very important to me. So when I went to see Rachel to pick up a phono stage I purchased, we discussed the A18 amp, and Dac and she supplied me with the rest of the pieces to try out and give a review.
Pricing on the Violectric and the U18 is very close. The V200 at $999. and the U18 at $899. so the price was not an issue in the decision. In the esthetic department, I'd give the edge to the U18, either in black or silver. The very large writing on the V200 doesn't suit my taste but thats just me. As far as sound quality, I cannot comment on the V200 as I haven't heard one, unfortunately. It simply made most sense to try the Yulong first, and if I really didn't like it, I would go on the hunt the V200. As it turns out, the A18 sounds very good. It has a blk background, the bass is tight and deep, the mids, especially on vocals is smooth and accurate. the highs are sweet and easy to take. What I mean is no harshness, to my ears anyway. The soundastage is well placed and wide enough to present a realistic image. Please keep in mind that I''m using the Dac, power supply, interface and power cords from Yulong, so the synergy is expected to be good, and it is.
The music used is as follows: Jennifer Warnes- Bird on a wire(Famous Blue Raincoat Gold Edition CD) and -Way down deep( the Hunter 24K Gold Sp. Ed. CD)
Keb Mo - the Itch- ( the Suitcase CD), Gary Kerr - Harmonlewis cd Adagio in G Minor.
Jackie Evancho- When you wish upon a star, and Angel. (This young lady's operatic voice came shining through in all it's beauty.)
For jazz, I used Charlie Mingus - Mingus Ah um cd. the cut I used is Boogie Stop Shuffle. A good pace of different instruments, along with a drum solo.
All of the cd's I used were downloaded to my Mac Mini into Itunes lossless files.
This is my only source for headphone listening at the moment.
As a complete system, the Yulong set up is extremely easy to get used to. In order to be a little more exact in my assessment of each piece, I'll have to do do more listening with each piece individually. That will be for another day. For now though, I'm very glad I gave this SS system a try, because it opened my ears to a warm, accurate, fast system that will no doubt become my headphone setup for a long time.
The price on each piece is as follows: A18(amp)- $899., D18(Dac) - $699., P18(power conditioner) - $329., A230/D230(cables) - $100./ea. and the U18(USB interface) - $179., external power supply add $75..
Although, all the pieces are not absolutely necessary for a headphone system, I found the power cables convenient because they are a little thinner and more pliable than most high end cables. To me, the power conditioner is a perfect addition as it stacks with the rest of the pieces and is very convenient, oh yes, and it does its job at cleaning the power supply. I tried the system with out it and I felt like the sound was not as clear. Just my imagination?, maybe, maybe not, but a system as nice as this, why take a chance.:music:
I'll do the individual reviews as time permits.
 
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Please note that there is special pricing on the GF website if you purchase the A18 and D18 at the same time.
 
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not directly as yet. I'll try to do that this coming weekend. One nice thing though is that the Yulong cable is much thinner than the PC1.5 so much more flexible, and it's 4' long. The extra inches could come in handy in certain circumstances.
 
I have been enjoying this very setup for a while now. I purchased the D18 when it first came out, followed by the A18 and most recently the P18 & U18 with external PS.

The value on these units is as good as it gets. You would need to spend a lot of money to beat the level of performance offered by this setup. Even then, the differences would be slight, and would be well into the realm of diminishing returns.

I am currently driving a pair of LCD 2’s and Heir 8.A’s with this system. The best way for me to sum up the sound is “musical”. I can listen to this setup for hours without fatigue. This combo is outstanding with high res files which are primarily what I listen to with it. The sound leans slightly on the warm side but not at the sacrifice of detail or transparency. Yulong seems to have struck the perfect balance in his tuning of these components.

The A18 amp has tons of balls and will easily drive any headphone out there with authority (Hifiman HE6 excepted???). Lovers of vinyl and tubes will appreciate the sound of this system. For SS it comes as close as I have heard yet.

I take this rig along with me to work on 3 to 4 week projects in isolated areas of the province. The P18 does an excellent job of eliminating noise associated with the generated power where I work. The difference is significant. Your mileage may vary depending on the quality of the power in your region/situation.

Apart from those prone to upgrading for upgrading’s sake, or those who want that last few percent of perfection regardless of cost, this could easily be a final/permanent headphone setup.

Although I do not own the infamous HD800 headphones (not my cup of tea), this setup is well regarded by many as a nice compliment to those phones. Without cutting off any detail or frequencies, the Yulong gear is able to tame the sometimes overly bright presentation of the Senns. This is probably the next best thing to tubes for the HD800’s.
 

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Thanks for your input mrcasey. Your initial reviews on these unit are what got me interested in these. I believe I read them on Headfi, but I could be wrong, as I've been all over the internet getting information on these. When I started looking for a good match for my LCD 2"s, I found your input very useful.
 
My pleasure. I mostly live over at headfi, you are correct. I like to check in here every once in a while to see what is going on.

Keep your ears and eyes open for a new product in the pipes from Yulong. In the coming months he will be releasing a new unit called the DA8. It is essentially an improved (tweaked) version of the D18, with built in USB support, built in class A headphone amp and DSD playback support.
 
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Guystp, just curious but have you tried the A18 with the DAC-11? Or are you keeping them completely separate?
 
Guystp, just curious but have you tried the A18 with the DAC-11? Or are you keeping them completely separate?

Yes, I tried the A18 with Dac-11, and it was good, but the D18 is better. With that said, the Dac-11 has the advantage of tube rolling. The D18 still sounds better to me, especially using the balanced output. It's just more open and airy. The soundstage using the D18 seems larger and more accurate than the Dac-11. I'm leaving the Dac-11 set up with my ASL tube headphone amp/AKG Q701 headphones. I've listed this setup for sale but have no problem keeping it as a second setup.:)
 
Well, I've spend some time trying to compare various pieces of the the Yulong setup.
So far, my conclusions are : the Yulong D18 is abetter Dac than the GF Dac-11, but less versatility, so one must decide what's more important. The difference is the sound quality is on another level, more refined and accurate. At $899.00 it should be better than the Dac-11 at at $350.00. Next the A18 amp., It outperforms my ASL by quite a bit, but to be fair, I am comparing apples and oranges here. The Yulong is SS and the ASL is tube. The A18 has much tighter bass and absolutely wonderful mids and smooth top end. No shrill here. The ASL gave me muddier bass, beautiful mids and sometimes a little harshness in the top, compared to the A18. Background on the A18 is very black, quiet as a church mouse! The ASL has a little noise at higher volumes but nothing out of the ordinary for tubes. All in all the Yulong wins here hands down, but at a much higher price tag. Yulong - $899.00, ASL - $600.00. These are retail prices.
Next the power cables. The Yulong A230, and D230, ($100.00/ea.) I assume one is meant for analog, one for digital? They both look the same and to be quite honest, I couldn't tell the difference between the two, in appearance or sound. Compared to a set of very short (1') custom built hospital grade cables, they surprised me. I thought the shortie's sounded very good, but the Yulong cable outperformed them by taking away the veil on the shorties, which I didn't notice till connecting the Yulongs. They opened up the sound, especially in the lower end of the spectrum. They sound very good with this system, in fact, I couldn't tell any difference to my GF PC1.5's, except they are much thinner and more pliable. I will try these on my main system at some point just to make sure I'm not just imagining this result.
The power conditioner works very nice. I disconnected everything and plugged it all into video type surge protected power supply unit I used to use for my tv system. I don't have enough power supply in the area where this system is set up to plug everything into a wall outlet. Again with the conditioner, the music is unveiled, rich and full.
Lastly, the U18 USB interface. This little unit, especially with external power supply has a very clean, quiet, black background, and works with 24 bit, and 192 kHz signal, where my Opera Box 1.1 works with 24 bit, and 96 kHz. Now, I purchased a couple of hi rez albums from 2L . One was at 96khz, and the other at 192khz. They both sound incredible, and to be quite honest, I couldn't really tell the difference on the Yulong. They both sounded very very good. The Opera unit seems to have a little noise in the background that I assume is noise from my mac mini coming through the converter. They are both USB powered, with the Yulong having the separate power supply availability, and I'm not sure whether the noise is related to USB power, but I didn't get any using the separate power supply, so I'd have to recommend using it.
So, this is my impressions of the Yulong headphone system. In the last week and a half, I have logged about 40-50 hours of listening on this little setup, and m very pleased with what I've heard. Even at lower levels, everything is rich and full. This is important to me as I don't much care to listen to headphone too loudly. The tracks I used for this little review are as follows: Jennifer Warnes- Way Down Deep, Bird on a Wire, If it be Your Will. Anne Akiko Meyers- Violin Concert No.1 in A minor, Ave Maria (196khz). Los Angeles Chamber Orchestra- Hilary Hahn(violin) plays J.S. Bach concerto for 2 Harpsichord (96khz). Steve Earle- Copperhead Road. Keb Mo'- the Suitcase lp, track 2 called 'the Itch'( an incredible album). Rosanne Cash- Runaway train. Roy Orbison- In Dreams. Tony Joe White- Set the Hook, and As the Crow Flies.
All the music is on my Mac Mini in Itunes Lossless files, except for the 192khz, and 96khz music which I played through a player from HDTracks .
I hope this information helps someone looking at these units.
 
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Hi Guy, have you try the D100 MKII ? If so, what is your impression about this device. Look like a good performer with a nice UBS input (What i am looking for), but then i think it compare againts the DAC-11 w/o the tube.
 
I haven't tried any of the 100 series, but it may be interesting to compare it directly to the D18. :scratch2:
 
I did a comparison to the DAC-11, and the D18 is definitely a superior unit sound wise but not feature wise. Seeing as I didn't need all the features of the DAC11, I've already sold it!, I guess we all know that means the D18 is going to have to stay :) It is only being used in conjunction with the A18 for a headphone system, but a mighty fine headphone system!:tresbon:
 
Well see Guy, on the other hand I am in the need of a new DAC/Headphone amp and I am split between the TD-11 and D100 MKII. Here is what Rachel wrote me back :

D100 is more suitable for headphones and more digital sounding. But the details may be preferred by some users. If you run a tube amp after it, D100 is mighty fine. DAC-11 has more features built in but if you compare on USB input and solid state out, likely the D100 will win by a touch.

At this time I think i'll go with the TD-11. The tube rolling might take it to another level (Have you tried tube rolling?). But the D100 look great too...
 
yes, I've got all the popular tubes for the Dac-11 and tried them all. My favourite was an Amperex PCC88 pinched waist which sounded awesome till it packed it in. What headphones are you or will be using? You sure can't go wrong with DAC-11. I used it with my AKG Q701's and sounded pretty good. If you use headphones that require more power, you will have to add an amp.
 
They should sound pretty good with DAC-11. The tube tends to smoothen out the 701's nicely. I haven't tried the D100 MK11, but am sure impressed with the D18. The DAC-11 is a pretty safe bet, though. If you ever want to upgrade, the DAC-11 is an easy sell. I sold mine with it listed for only 1/2 day.
 
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