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In defense of the JBL L100

As for how they sound, remember they are designed as studio monitors, and are fairly ruthless at showing imperfections in the recording process, especially tape hiss. It may also be a reason why the L100s, IMO, don't seem to do well with a lot of CD music because of the differences digital recording is mixed and done. The OP mentioned that the review he referenced said they could sound pretty good - with tube power. And maybe a lot of us have been going at it all wrong, tying L100's with a lot of SS power when maybe they could work much better, synergistically, with tube preamps and amplifiers, less damping factor and smoother transients. Stereo Review, in their Jun 1974 review, remarked on the efficiency of the L100 being about 96db/1 watt in the midrange.

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The L100's are what they are. IMHO, not quite as far as what Zilch used to call them, "Fake but fun", but a real, honest window of what was close to state of the art for a small US Studio Monitor during the growth of the Rock and Roll Era. That we've all moved on in our likes and dislike doesn't diminish what they were and what they are today. Seems to me if they don't work for you, as many have said, move on. Some of us get them to work well with different gear, others like them just as they are, some modify them extensively.

For a lot of us growing up in the 70's, it was and still is a thing of beauty, and an interesting, well executed loudspeaker of its time.

I still like them a lot, and do a few things to mitigate the mid/top end - turn down the pots some, maybe a bit of tissue paper across the tweeter (ala Advent fried egg tweeter), get them off the floor (never designed to be on the floor) to prevent bass boom, even plug the vent for some. Even considered the crossover mods. The L100 is sort of the Dynaco ST-70 of the 70's, everybody bashes it, yet it remains a beloved, if somewhat polarizing product.

And they are strikingly beautiful in their own way.

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And for you JBL monitor fans, here's a taste of what the big 4 way monitors look like today at Kenrick Sound in Japan. Monitor wipes mandatory :drool::drool:

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A teaser at a Kenrick Exclusive monitor the 4346, BMWCCA, have you seen this one?:
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It's not just newbs. If they are in excellent condition, collectors will pay top dollar. There are not many pristine examples of historically significant speakers that are over 40 years old.

Also, take a look at thee Japanese audiophile markets lust for efficient vintage JBL speakers. They're not just buying them to have them as museum pieces. They actually appreciate the way they sound with their triodes. There is an outfit in Japan, Kenrick Sound, you should see what they sell their beautifully restored JBL's for. :yikes:
Unfortunately, I have seen many sets of drivers from L100's on ebay because the seller believes he can get more money, they don't want to bother packing and shipping a very large, heavy item or the cabinet(s) are damaged.
 
Great posts, Bart! :thmbsp: Having had both 4311s and L100s, I'm not convinced that either counts as a hi-fi speaker by modern standards, but I love their looks, history, and construction. I'd love to get another pair one of these days; I think they're just beautiful.
 
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Thanks for that lesson mech986.I got a nice pair of L100s that at one time were on the fence.Then I realized that this was my favorite sound for a lot of rock music that I listen to.Are they my favorite speaker ??No but I like them enough to probably never sell them as long as rock music is still being listened to here.
 
The problem I had with them is the low end.

It was awful.

Sounded a lot like my Klipsch Tangents.

boomy.. the exact opposite of Advent/AR/KLH etc.

Where the Advents have deep, rich, bass.. these JBLs had hollow sounding lows.


If you do the pencil tap test on the woofer, it makes a very high bom bom sound instead of a deep thud.

I have read though, that the 12" drivers were meant to play midrange, not bass, so it makes sense.
 
The problem I had with them is the low end.

It was awful.

Sounded a lot like my Klipsch Tangents.

boomy.. the exact opposite of Advent/AR/KLH etc.

Where the Advents have deep, rich, bass.. these JBLs had hollow sounding lows.

If you do the pencil tap test on the woofer, it makes a very high bom bom sound instead of a deep thud.

I have read though, that the 12" drivers were meant to play midrange, not bass, so it makes sense.

It's not so much that, as (I understand) the cabinets are undersized for the driver. With a larger cabinet they can be excellent woofers.

http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/JBL_L100_08.htm

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Bass performance from new cabinet

Making plans for my own L100s I had two things in mind: Transmission line and the Variovents. Both would suit the high Qt 125A bass driver. A transmission line would require at least a 100 litre cabinet and I wasn't prepared for this, thus the Variovents. They did very well with the L26-3-way that I wanted to use them again.

The bass performance bears little resemblance of the former boomy bass reflex loaded 123A driver. It's deep, firm, tight, solid and the Variovents allow a shallower roll-off and despite the 50 Hz system resonance.

The renovated L100 handles bass noticeable different from vented designs of similar size, e.g. Ekta Grande. Running test warble tones at 20, 30, 40 and 50 Hz produce a smooth steadily increase in response and I think the best way to describe the bass quality is that it is doesn't change character over the whole bass region, 30-160 Hz, except for amplitude in the lower octave.

The sound

The JBL L100 Century loudspeaker was a worthy representative of the Seventies tizz-and-boom tradition. It had both. Loads of bass from a high Qt driver in a too small vented cabinet and loads of tizz from the 6.5 kHz peaking of the LE5-2 middriver. Very charming - and impressive - at first "hear", but tiresome in the long run. Placing these three high-quality drivers in a vibrant chip-board cabinet only made things worse as the bass driver was meant to handle most of ever so important midrange. The result was a smeared midrange garnished with an aggressive treble from all three drivers trying to do the same thing, playing treble. No wonder later JBL monitors had more sophisticated crossovers, usually 2nd order.

There's one thing that adds a specific character to this speaker: Having a 12" driver handling the midrange up to around 1-1.5 kHz. It's kind of studio sound. Professional studios - and cinemas for that matter - often use huge driver for midrange. Why? To reduce distortion obviously. We're so sensitive to distortion of the human voice and a proper designed 10-12" driver can do things here that no 6" can ever do. Due to the ingenious flat cone geometry of the 123A driver, this goes better than for most 12" drivers. I guess the heavy coating of the 123A driver is part of the secret, reducing potential cone break-up to acceptable levels. The price to pay was reduced efficiency. The calculated efficiency of the 123A driver is around 89 dB, well in accordance with actual measurements.

Playing Nils Lofgren, Acoustic Live, leaves no doubt that we really do need a 12" driver to fully enjoy his powerful guitar play.
 
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The problem I had with them is the low end.

It was awful.

Sounded a lot like my Klipsch Tangents.

boomy.. the exact opposite of Advent/AR/KLH etc.

Where the Advents have deep, rich, bass.. these JBLs had hollow sounding lows.


If you do the pencil tap test on the woofer, it makes a very high bom bom sound instead of a deep thud.

I have read though, that the 12" drivers were meant to play midrange, not bass, so it makes sense.

Er, I'm not sure what you mean with 12" drivers were meant to play midrange, not bass? What size woofers do the Advent's have? 10" in a 12" frame. Wonder how much bass a 10" driver can put out. The Advents use acoustic suspension which uses the closed box as an air spring and woofer damper, hence the thud you get when you tap it. Take it out of the cabinet and you'll get a thwack without the air damping. Also, the Advent cone is made of felted paper and is somewhat heavy and not particularly stiff. The acoustic suspension is a great way to get extended bass from a smaller cone and smaller cabinet - but at the expense of efficiency and ultimate acoustic output.

If you plug the port of an L100, you'll get a similar thud on its cone. The L100 cone is stiff paper with an Aquaplas coating - adding mass and additional stiffness. With a 3 inch voice coil, it is very "fast" and reacts to transients well, hence the efficiency and ability to run into the midrange and have high output. You may not get ultimately the most bass extension but that was not the design goal for this smaller studio monitor.

Vastly different ways to design and build speakers.

The woofer size is a compromise along with the cabinet volume, the type of loading (sealed, ported, etc.) and the choices the designers and company choose to create the product at a given price point and physical platform. It is also dependent on the type and voicing of sound they either like, ascribe to philosophically, are known for, or their customers prefer. In fact, some companies have a tough time making a speaker that sounds "different" from their previous offerings due to customer resistance or acceptance in the marketplace.

It is interesting that until recently, the high end audio rags would not even review JBL speakers because, well, they weren't "high end" enough, or they didn't have weird quirks to hang on to, or they didn't require "only the finest and most robust amplifiers" to push them, or they weren't charging outrageous prices, or because they are a large company pushing product to all price levels they can't possibly make a great sounding speaker.
 
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Not to "thread-crap" but is the "sound, or character" of the JBL 4312 (c, titanium tweeter) similar to the L100? I've never heard a pair of L100's, but have heard the 4312's.
 
The Stereo Review 'review' doesn't tie in with my listening experiences with my L100s at all.

I loved the construction, the finish on the driver baskets and the big white bass driver, all in a rock solid cabinet.

I just think people are short changing themselves massively however, if they are still using L100s as an example of an excellent speaker in 2015. I have small 5.5 inch two ways that do more right than they did.

As an iconic speaker, there's really nothing to touch them and I should have kept mine just for the retro appeal and I'm really glad a quality company like JBL made them and made lots of money out of them.
 
A friend still has his L100's set up.

Sure is fun to listen to 70's rock and roll through them..... :yes: :music:

Thank you for this wonderful trip down memory lane. :thmbsp:
 
I always wanted to try a pair but people locally been asking for crazy prices that Is far beyound my budget for a speaker that will probably require work on/recapping everytime I see them pop up.
 
I haven't heard L-100s in over 35 years but when they were current I thought many speakers had better clarity and tone. I thought their virtues were good dynamics, low distortion and a certain solidity to the sound. Good speakers but not great.

My opinion.
 
I just came across a pair, and almost everything has sounded good on them. However, I listened to The Clash - Combat Rock and it was brutal. The speakers have an upper mid peak and when they play back albums mixed with a similar upper mid peak, bad things happen. I think I am going to try the Dennis Murphy xover.
 
I have very fond memories of L100's.

Having tried re-visiting them a couple times, it's clear that the fondness of my memories has far more to do with sentiment than satisfaction.
 
I just came across a pair, and almost everything has sounded good on them. However, I listened to The Clash - Combat Rock and it was brutal. The speakers have an upper mid peak and when they play back albums mixed with a similar upper mid peak, bad things happen. I think I am going to try the Dennis Murphy xover.

QFT! Normally, music that is mixed on an L100 should actually have an upper mid null if it was to sound flat frequency wise. That much rock still had additional mid peak dialed in to push the vocals or guitars more forward is one way to get your music out over the AM/FM radios of the day, or to get that hot "jump" to make it stand out.

Not so much different from today's loudness wars on the FM dial or CD's.
 
Personally, I still have a pair of 4311 in my system and I just can't think I could change it.
Paired with the right preamp and amplifier, these speakers will sound so warm and yet really well defined.
Of course, you can't plug these old JBL in a Class D or class T amp as they WILL sound cold and they will definitely have a bump in the upper midrange, but pairing these with my Schiit Asgard 2 preamp really tamed the somewhat aggressive high frequency response and my Sanyo 2050 amplifier just made the speakers alive. The bass frequency is huge, powerful and defined, the midrange is warm and present and the high frequencies are bright and defined. A perfect match!
Of course, I don’t believe it is a “flat” speaker and it certainly has lots of “flaws”, but still, these speakers can sound awesome and will definitely let my B&W sleep in the garage.
 
I just don't get any bashing of L100s,HPM 100s etc. They are a quality speak and do so much well with an attitude that is right for a lot of environments and tastes. (Bashing sure doesn't have an ounce of impact on what they go for, and cork sniffers love to pick on success with iconic anything.....the owners just "roll there eyes" and enjoy them it seems.) One fact I've noticed is people gather in a room that has JBL L100s.
 
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Is there actually bashing of L100s? Seems to me most people either like them or recognize that they have some real strengths, even if they speakers don't appeal much to them. Saying that they are rock speakers, or saying that they are bettered by newer or more expensive speakers doesn't exactly equate to bashing. Tastes differ, and many speakers have a range of reviews.
Even lovers of the west coast sound or JBL might point to better, if more expensive and larger, JBLS.
 
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