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Infinity Kappa 9, review

muziekfreak

Active Member
Well hello there fellow audio enthusiasts, as i already posted a couple reviews before. After pulling out a old friend of mine yesterday, this warrants a more closer look at these speaker. As per usual, it's how i experience them. And based on my own ears to what's being said here, this does not mean you experienced or will experience same results.

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Arnie nudell and his designs....

Let's start there, if you're familiar with his work than you know. That almost, each and every series speakers, he ever designed always had something unique to it. The kappa series, was no different from that rule for example the only series in the entire infinity lineup that used a Polygraph mid-driver. Somethings never change, such as Nudell speakers do require a certain sacrifice of its owner. This should not be taken lightly with owning the kappa 8 and 9 mainly.



What do i need?

I get this question a lot, i have lots of infinity speakers and it always boils down to 2 major things you will NEED. To make speakers like this perform optimally, its amplification and space (aside from a good wife or girlfriend that's willing to accept the size speakers we are talking about) For the K9 to perform by experimentation be al least about 14-15 foot away from the speakers (optimal low end performance) 12 feet was to close to enjoy its capability. Amplifiers do NOT NEED TO BE tons of WATTS, it's about current! I have used tubes before never a problem, and if you go the solid state route? Just make sure it has ample power supply. It's current these speakers will draw (we measured them pulling 11amps) you will not see this even with a ESL.

The kappa conundrum....is it?!

The 8 and especially 9 are speakers not meant for people that do not wish to invest themselves to much in the demand these require to be OPTIMAL. I have had, folks tell me they driven it with ease on a denon best buy amp, until they discover the "extended" switch on the back. My point is, YES you can run them with subpar amplification, you can switch them to normal mode. And like magic, the speakers will perform really well on a more linear impedance curve. No gross dips to 0.8ohm, or amp pulling at all, even on the higher volumes. However, you will sacrifice low end in doing so, so yes! You indeed, can run a k8 or k9 as such but let's face it, you would want to churn every bit of quality out of them. These are not speakers, that can be compared to anything out there, and they are not cheap. Not even on today's market, these speakers really retain their value!

Setting them up... is a breeze

Thanks to its slim design, these are not hard to place at all however i do suggest as i said above. Do try to get a healthy distance from them i have tried a wide variety of distances from the speakers. And in my space at around 14-15 feet away from them. You get effortless low end out of them, you will enjoy the 4x12 inch IMG woofers these speakers have to the fullest. Many confuse these speakers for being, DI POLE, they are most certainly not. Least not on their full range capability, a tweeter on the back is more there for ambiance than anything else. A heavily damped port, serves as a sort of reflex port for the Polydome radiating to the back of these speakers. I had 0 issues setting them up, never have even in the somewhat smaller rooms.

The do like being free from walls like any speaker, but thanks to the shallow cabinets, you can place them some what closer to backwalls if need be.

The speakers also have L pads, you can adjust them as you see fit and make it work in almost any room. That's what i do like about the Nudells, there was very clear thought behind his speakers and the way you could adjust them to fit individual needs of the listener. In short if you cannot make these work for you at all, i have no clue what to tell you. The speakers are surely not the issue, seen the tune abilities it has to cater to ones needs.

Sound impressions

After a plethora of vinyl and cds, it become very clear that the K9 has a neck to be brutally honest to what its been fed. If a recording, is rather quality compromised it will punish you severely. It's not a speaker, meant for the older rock and rollers under us. As there i found, that it tends to sound rather hard on the ears and pretty unforgiving. We all know the old 70ts and 80ts rock name drumkits, that sound extremely dry even on a forgiving speaker (such as my magnepans) with the k9. It will brutally make, your toes curl and the desire to break that particular record becomes rather tempting. This is NOT the speaker, for people that tend to gravitate to a more musical (ergo warm, less confronting) experience. This is a speaker for the purist, someone that loves hearing every single detail on a record being presented to you. .

And trust me folks, these do this is a speaker that specs 27hz-44khz 3db not many out there (in the price class these float in) that embody full range to the extend these do. The Emits and S-emit drivers, are extremely detailed. You can hear every single pop or crackle in a track if it's there, you will even hear back ground noise coming through them. It's spectacular, for sure on recordings that have been mastered to better standards. In short you feed it crap? It will reflect that, just a fair warning.

NOTE: The reason why the drivers go up that high 44khz, Nudell, thought behind it was rather simple, if a driver can perform to those frequency responses, it's not compromised doing it up to 20khz.

To me these speakers shine on the low end, incredibly deep, rich and powerful without any overbearing characteristics. I think, in its current price class, this is low end you will come out of pocket for double what these speakers cost. They are revealing , yet warm and rich on the mid and full ranged deep on the bass they can produce. It's a impressive feat what this speaker can do... considering it's passive crossover (so no controllers and additional hassles needed) and being a floor stander.


Driver integration

This is more of a footnote based on what i hear, it's no secret that Nudell was ahead of his time by mangling cones, domes and planar drivers in one neatly packed box. And made it sound legit good, the Kappa series do show some minute fallacies there. The integration between, the two domes and its upper end sometimes is evident. You can hear it especially when you hear nasally voiced singers sing, that the bottom Emit picks up rather fast on it and really does not involve the polydome enough to compensate for it. The result is, harsh on the syllables and a rather clear separation at times. This is also to blame the recording, i am sure as it is the singer that sounds anything but pleasing in those registers. Nonetheless, it's there, and it should be mentioned.

It's also the drivers, the drivers are two opposites of each other, the upper range is extremely articulate and revealing. As to where the domes are veiled and warm and rich sounding, this is sometimes audible the high tend to leap away from the mid.

NOTE: L pads were all set to FLAT response, so experimenting on that is warranted for improvements.


Overall verdict

What is there more to say about a goliath like this, do they have downsides? Yes, as with any Nudell, you need to be willing to sacrifice space, a good dose of amp and a willing spouse to accept a speaker this size. That aside, they are pieces of history that are in todays world still very relevant. These are not speakers, that i would stamp "mid-fi" by any means. They can fit in most rooms, you can adjust their sound to fit your needs and demands. And these are speakers, that will outdo most speakers in their current price class (and above)

These are not normal floor standers, with the 5ft tall stature, a imposing speaker. But also beautiful, in looks the veneers even after 30 plus years held up so well. The style, too they look by lack of better wording elegant while being massive. The fit and finishes on these speakers, are just incredible no where 90 degree angles, fluted cabinets. That was done by design, to give the cabinets a more pleasant resonance as they knew it will be introduced into the sound these make. To, me personally it's one of the most affordable true taste of what nudell was about speaker on the market today.

You get massive low end drivers (also used in the beta and irs series same woofers) you get the unique polygraph and its more typical polydomes. And offcourse the Emit drivers, all neatly packed in a beautiful, cabinet that's in my opinion timeless. The show off what they are performance speakers, they will not bore you and you can get lots more out of them as you better the gear y
 
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How many feet should I place them in front of me (when taking pictures) for optimal size magnification?
 
You can figure by using the 12" woofers as a reference. Looks like the guy is close to 6ft tall. Making them in the same plane.

Good post by OP, the one thing with those speakers is the lack of replacement mids out there. Since it's one of the main parts that make these so good it can become hard to fix if there's a problem with that delicate driver.

I have used those woofers in a DIY project in a 2-way ESL hybrid. I ended up using a 10" Monitor Audio and a 12" Kappa 7 woofer and was getting flat plots from 24Hz to 24kHz, so I can agree in their ability to play very cleanly into low tones. They're fast enough to pick up at ESL rolloff without much sound shift as long as there's some overlap they are undetectable.

Those woofers so keep their place even in our current times. I was never a fan of EMIT tweeters or really any domes (especially metal) but they're small enough to fit the design. Those woofers with a set of Hersey horn mids and Tweeters mounted on top would make a fantastic DIY speaker.

Again as OP said, these are just my own thoughts.
 
He stood right in-between them , I know the guy lol
Did you specifically ask him about this specific picture? Just because you know him doesn't mean you know the facts of this picture. And how well do you know him? Well enough to make conjectures as to his placement in photos?
You can figure by using the 12" woofers as a reference. Looks like the guy is close to 6ft tall. Making them in the same plane.

Good post by OP, the one thing with those speakers is the lack of replacement mids out there. Since it's one of the main parts that make these so good it can become hard to fix if there's a problem with that delicate driver.

I have used those woofers in a DIY project in a 2-way ESL hybrid. I ended up using a 10" Monitor Audio and a 12" Kappa 7 woofer and was getting flat plots from 24Hz to 24kHz, so I can agree in their ability to play very cleanly into low tones. They're fast enough to pick up at ESL rolloff without much sound shift as long as there's some overlap they are undetectable.

Those woofers so keep their place even in our current times. I was never a fan of EMIT tweeters or really any domes (especially metal) but they're small enough to fit the design. Those woofers with a set of Hersey horn mids and Tweeters mounted on top would make a fantastic DIY speaker.

Again as OP said, these are just my own thoughts.
He looks like he's 6 ft tall? He could just be a well-proportioned 5 or 7 footer. What does that even mean? Using the woofers as a visual reference only makes sense AFTER you've drawn the conclusion that he's on the same plane as them. I dunno, this is all getting a bit out of hand.
 
I have had a pair of K9's and K8's stored in a spare room for many years now. This rekindles my interest in digging them out.
 
Did you specifically ask him about this specific picture? Just because you know him doesn't mean you know the facts of this picture. And how well do you know him? Well enough to make conjectures as to his placement in photos?

He looks like he's 6 ft tall? He could just be a well-proportioned 5 or 7 footer. What does that even mean? Using the woofers as a visual reference only makes sense AFTER you've drawn the conclusion that he's on the same plane as them. I dunno, this is all getting a bit out of hand.
Well ....

I am him haha......I am 5.7 the speakers are 5ft I stood right in-between them when the pic got taken.

I hope this takes away any doubt you might have.
 
You can figure by using the 12" woofers as a reference. Looks like the guy is close to 6ft tall. Making them in the same plane.

Good post by OP, the one thing with those speakers is the lack of replacement mids out there. Since it's one of the main parts that make these so good it can become hard to fix if there's a problem with that delicate driver.

I have used those woofers in a DIY project in a 2-way ESL hybrid. I ended up using a 10" Monitor Audio and a 12" Kappa 7 woofer and was getting flat plots from 24Hz to 24kHz, so I can agree in their ability to play very cleanly into low tones. They're fast enough to pick up at ESL rolloff without much sound shift as long as there's some overlap they are undetectable.

Those woofers so keep their place even in our current times. I was never a fan of EMIT tweeters or really any domes (especially metal) but they're small enough to fit the design. Those woofers with a set of Hersey horn mids and Tweeters mounted on top would make a fantastic DIY speaker.

Again as OP said, these are just my own thoughts.
There are actually excellent replacements for the polydomes by now. You can go for drop ins (seas, Midwest offers a fabric dome) and there are couple people that use the original dome material offering repairs . Also Miller sound offers a very wide known accepted replacement dome for them that's foam/fiber based. ..as far as emits goes, if your equipment is not up for the task they tend to tax ears. It's not an excuse it's just what these speakers do. They run up to 45khz.

We can't hear that far up, but the design philosophy is simple behind that, it eliminates (according to nudell) compromises in the human hearing range. They are planar magnetic drivers , I still regard EMIT and especially the EMIT R (round leaf later better design still used by Genesis) one of the best tweeters on today's secondhand market.

Biased ? Perhaps , but there is a reason why you still see them used today at Genesis technology in even their quarter million USD systems . Doesn't take away there are many options available, and it's not for everyone.

I've had many many infinity speakers and some just don't sound great with the emit in them. Like the rs3 and 4b I didn't care much for. So it seems , very model pending too and how it's implemented.

The kappa 8 and 9 always have been my favorite of the bunch , even over the rs1b I had.
 
Agreed
I run my RSiiia’s with a Primaluna Evo 300
: KT66’s.
No issues… plays louder than I needed to. That’s for sure..
Recap w/ either Superior Z’s or Nudell’s fave Mundorf Supremes.
Adding some damping sheets to control cabinet resonances is helpful.
 
Well ....

I am him haha......I am 5.7 the speakers are 5ft I stood right in-between them when the pic got taken.

I hope this takes away any doubt you might have.
Never! I'll be downloading the pic and doing some pixel counting (one by one) to make sure the proportions align. This mystery must be solved! But the fact that you're standing 100 feet behind the speakers does not take away the fact that they are cool speakers and you wrote a very nice rundown.
 
Have always been intrigued with Infinity speakers but alas, never gotten to hear a pair of their higher end offerings.:(
 
Never! I'll be downloading the pic and doing some pixel counting (one by one) to make sure the proportions align. This mystery must be solved! But the fact that you're standing 100 feet behind the speakers does not take away the fact that they are cool speakers and you wrote a very nice rundown.
Yah well I stand right in-between them I can assure you that haha. ..

And ya I remember doing this write up, I've had many infinities. They will always be a part of my audio adventure .
 
Have always been intrigued with Infinity speakers but alas, never gotten to hear a pair of their higher end offerings.:(

Kappas are to me the most affordable as close to nudell sounding speakers you can get. They have a little bit of everything. You get the img cone dynamics , you get the emit sparkle infinity was famed for. And in case of the kappas you get a set of custom to that series (series I , polydome and polygraph) drivers to boast.

I've always had a very warm heart for them, I still currently own a kappa 8, kappa 8.1, kappa 6.1,kappa 5.1. And a bunch of kappa video centers I refoamed not to long ago.

However prices have been creeping up lately on them. Here in Georgia there is a series I K9 for sale asking $3300. Which is , sorry to say so rather ridiculous. That's 300 over the 1987 sales price. Definitely not worth that money sorry to say so.

A k8 can be had for $1100 , a K9 should not cost more than around $1600 , I do prefer the series II they just have the better drivers (especially the EMIT R) cost a heck of alot less even. As people seem to avoid those for whatever strange reason.

But yah , definitely keep your eyes open, they once in while become available for really fair prices still today. Well worth it IMHO ...

*Footnote: I know I'll get the TV is to high comments... It is what it is, sacrifices are to be made in favor of my equipment haha.

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I do know that there are a few different models of EMIT tweeters made. I have owned Qa's and Qb's and had another set of EMITs that I got when I bought a bunch of raw drivers.

The problem I had was the design of the speakers I had and how poorly they integrated the woofers to that tweeter. I even gave them a try in other Infinity systems that were terribly matched or had the dreadful plastic tweeters. I ran sweeps on a stack of cheap Infinity's and owned a number of their larger sizes (not their best) models over the years and nearly every test had a huge hump around 8KHz then it would drop to zero after that. Most were repaired and resold.

I found they have blown caps on the crossovers and many had very poor refoam jobs done. So bad I was able to remove the surround just using my fingers and clean it up, cut it to proper size and reuse it. I'm very curious to listen to their old TOTL speakers, I have never heard anything infinity that I thought actually sounded great?

I had their Electrostatics and I used the panels to make another speaker entirely (along with a few dozen other JansZen panels) I still have a set of old Infinity 1000A (I think, 1971 models, their 2nd line made) 12" 3- ways, tested to see if they worked and put them away. I'm not sure how Infinity caught on with such mistakes as I saw in their first designs.

I guess I never had faith that their price was equal to the sound, judging from past experience I heard terrible highs that were irritating and none ever made stayed connected for more than a minute. I have read many posts on them and it always seemed to have mention of needing repairs or the amps developed problems (most were driven with Mac stuff).

The description of what owners were hearing sounded very much like what I heard from my DIY electrostat build reusing JansZen panels in large quantities. But I never had any issues with mine, for about half the price of a used set of good infinitys.

Once I heard electrostatics, I knew it would be hard to find anything that would be as much of a revelation in what's possible with speakers. My set of Martin Logan hybrids is not the final word in speakers. But they are filling the need right now after losing my DIY build in a fire. Logans try too hard to be regular speakers, may be great for surround sound but loses out with realistic "you are there" sound compared to flat panels.
 
I do know that there are a few different models of EMIT tweeters made. I have owned Qa's and Qb's and had another set of EMITs that I got when I bought a bunch of raw drivers.

The problem I had was the design of the speakers I had and how poorly they integrated the woofers to that tweeter. I even gave them a try in other Infinity systems that were terribly matched or had the dreadful plastic tweeters. I ran sweeps on a stack of cheap Infinity's and owned a number of their larger sizes (not their best) models over the years and nearly every test had a huge hump around 8KHz then it would drop to zero after that. Most were repaired and resold.

I found they have blown caps on the crossovers and many had very poor refoam jobs done. So bad I was able to remove the surround just using my fingers and clean it up, cut it to proper size and reuse it. I'm very curious to listen to their old TOTL speakers, I have never heard anything infinity that I thought actually sounded great?

I had their Electrostatics and I used the panels to make another speaker entirely (along with a few dozen other JansZen panels) I still have a set of old Infinity 1000A (I think, 1971 models, their 2nd line made) 12" 3- ways, tested to see if they worked and put them away. I'm not sure how Infinity caught on with such mistakes as I saw in their first designs.

I guess I never had faith that their price was equal to the sound, judging from past experience I heard terrible highs that were irritating and none ever made stayed connected for more than a minute. I have read many posts on them and it always seemed to have mention of needing repairs or the amps developed problems (most were driven with Mac stuff).

The description of what owners were hearing sounded very much like what I heard from my DIY electrostat build reusing JansZen panels in large quantities. But I never had any issues with mine, for about half the price of a used set of good infinitys.

Once I heard electrostatics, I knew it would be hard to find anything that would be as much of a revelation in what's possible with speakers. My set of Martin Logan hybrids is not the final word in speakers. But they are filling the need right now after losing my DIY build in a fire. Logans try too hard to be regular speakers, may be great for surround sound but loses out with realistic "you are there" sound compared to flat panels.
The qe and qb were bottom of the barrel speakers. I had the the qe and I agree , you don't get anywhere near what kappas are. The upper end quantum series were for its time excellent speakers. But I never found them that interesting in that regard. So that's really a very limited experience you have had with emits at the least.

Notice my name mag....nepan, I had a slew of magnepans. Including the tympani I. Which is still regard, as the best vocal sounding speaker I've ever had had in my room (caveat they demand subs) I also had in the past quad esl57.

The presented a lot of issues that made .e swerve away from them. In terms of planars mgI,mgII,mg2.5q (true ribbon) MGIIIA (true ribbon) Lrs still have one actually. All great speakers but they all suffer from the same issues.

The all lack dynamic in the midrange and lower octaves. You can't beat a cone with an esl or planar on the dynamic end. It's also the only reason why steered away at one point of esl/planars

Aside from the fact they are directional, the dipole cancellations they produce are absolutely horrendous. It's a huge advantage, in terms of minimum room interaction (they lobe in a figure 8) but man second you get out that soundfield. They just collapse soundfield wise.

The quad esl57 was super directional, to the point you needed your head in a vice. If I ever go back to a panel speaker. It will be most likely a magnepan mg20 or equivalent. The Tympani was a 6ft x4ft wide planars taking up my entire space.

So definitely going for a 6.5-7ft planar will be in my case awesome. But for now I definitely stay with infinity.

Kappas are not even the top tier of infinity, it was in the infinity realm their more affordable mid line of speakers. Which compared easily, to many flagship speakers of other brands. Heck I'll say it without shame, even today.

Listen to an IRS beta for example, you get a system that has very little restrictions in terms of sonic quality. The IRS and IRS v (second version actually of the IRS what many don't know) are rare and not feasible to own for many.

Look up the IRS gamma, and later more Cary Christie models such as the Epsilon,Sigma, the more affordable Renaissance 90

All excellent speakers and most definitely shows what nudell was capable of already 30-40 years ago.

Nudell used JansZen panels in the Servo Statik 1 which has a 18 inch servo controlled subwoofer (was unheard of at the time 15 hz I believe) that was the first speaker they ever made. And it blew up constantly. Shorted out the panels they were not reliable. The second speaker they made was a monitor with the same panels. It put them on the the map tho...

Then I read you diy esl yourself, I actually have a 6ft line array build myself. Open baffle , 8x6.5" woofers per side with an emit r tweeters in ear height . Wasn't a great success , I definitely need an array of tweeters to match the mid range size it has. My plan was to also make two arrays with 4x12 inch per side open baffle to flank the mid high arrays I got now.

It's definitely not easy so it's for now on the shelf project wise.
 
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