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Infinity Quantum 3

cool. i picked up some RSPM mk IV's which i will recap before too long, but i think the foam looks OK in them, if that's possible after all this time. i'll be interested to watch your progress on the TLS50's. when will you start?

if you recap the Q3's, go by what they have installed. some of the official schematics are messed up, so the differences aren't just from revisions for some models.
 
Of particular notice was how well the piano came through, as every set of speakers I've heard this piece on so far have pushed it almost to the background. Further, among the strings and brass, the piano did not seem to suffer from the soft-edged, wool-blanket effect that seems to affect non-solo piano too easily. Every instrument was resolved with attention to detail and clarity.
Beethoven's Ninth had as good a showing, though the crescendos of the chorus did seem to get a little congested- that could have been the amps starting to run out of power a bit as well, as at that point the "400-watt" (@4Ω) level was just starting to flicker.

Excellent points Mike and a great description of what I'm hearing with the QLS1's. I've noticed the power-compression issue a few times when things get loud. Surprising how loud it can get before you really notice!


I picked up some RSPM mk IV's which i will recap before too long, but i think the foam looks OK in them, if that's possible after all this time. i'll be interested to watch your progress on the TLS50's. when will you start?

Glad to hear you received the RSPM's Chris, hope they arrived in good shape!
I'll be looking forward to a thread on your project and Mike's with these nice IMF's. Just wish I'd had deeper pockets and more floor space!:thmbsp:

Jim
 
RSPM's!?!? Great googly-moogly! Those are on my "Holy Grail" list.

The mk. IV is quite a bit newer than my mk. I 50's, and I don't think they used the same foam. I've already sort of started on the 50's, as I have the foam and the wrong set of crossover caps, but I don't think they'll be started in earnest until this summer. They are also due for re-veneering.
 
RSPM's!?!? Great googly-moogly! Those are on my "Holy Grail" list.

yeah, i got super lucky, the price was right and the condition is excellent. Kurtgo picked them up for me (i owe him like 50 favors now!) and is listening to them until we can get them up here from KC.

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Hey that's great news that you were able to salvage the mid bass driver Good for you. Glad to hear it made an improvement as I thought it would no doubt. It's nice to know that I'm not alone in my thinking that they're picky on placement. I just could not believe the dramatic difference in mine when I set them on the floor. For a while I even had them on their sides. Don't waste your time trying that one. Right now I'm running mine on a 350 watt carver t amp but I still prefer the much lower powered tube amps powering them. What I really wish is that I had a decent room for them. I've had mine in 4 different rooms and none of them did them justice due to placement issues. These are very nice speakers no doubt but I think they need a big open room with space to open up.


I called up Bill Watkins and asked him about my Carver amp driving my Infinity's, his response? Quote " I wouldn't drive anything with a Carver, get an Adcom" un-quote.
 
Superman, meet Kryptonite

Well, I think the Quantum 3's have really met their match. There is one track off of the Nine Inch Nails Ghosts CD, track #10 on disc 2, that I've long used to see just how well built a cabinet is. Invariably, anything less than something Bob made fails this test, with the exception being the TLS-50's, which passed with flying colors. This is the sort of track that brings out the worst in speakers, and it did quite a number with the Quantum 3.

As I mentioned (numerous times) above, I'm less than impressed with the cabinet of the Quantum 3- Large surfaces that are not braced with a driver good down to the mid-high 20's makes for very lively walls. When I played the above mentioned track, at moderately high levels (10-15 watts input, as per a rough calculation), I thought for sure the cabinet would self destruct. You could actually see the top of the cabinet vibrate, and the lower portion, below the woofer, was vibrating like it was in some earthquake.

There are two things I intend on trying. The first, and less severe one is to install braces above and below the woofer- this will be complicated by the fact that the input panel is exactly where the lower brace would end up, so I might need to figure on a couple diagonal braces going from just below the woofer to either rear corner.

The second thing, and much more severe, would be to scrap the cabinets entirely and work with Boy Wonder to build new ones, as we did for the JVC zero9's. I'm not keen on this route, however, and (for the time being) neither is Bob, who is not really looking for another project right now.

I do feel compelled to say, however, that as good as these speakers are, the cabinetry employed is of inexcusably poor quality and not very well thought out. Although the materials used (1-inch veneered chip-board) is about par for the time for a higher-end speaker, the lack of any resonance control or bracing, particularly when such large panels are used, is almost negligent. I've owned and seen speakers of much less lineage built to a higher standard, even if they do not necessarily perform as well. This is something unbecoming the "... third-best speaker in the world."

Further experimentation will hopefully allow the speaker to maintain that claim in some basis of reality.


I am never impressed by MDF cabinets, void less marine grade ply all the way.
 
I called up Bill Watkins and asked him about my Carver amp driving my Infinity's, his response? Quote " I wouldn't drive anything with a Carver, get an Adcom" un-quote.

what carver would he be talking about? i have two m1.5t and even the little cubes are fine amps that can drive anything. an acquaintance of mine had a big Adcom and it always ran hot.

they are good amps, though. maybe Bill and Bob had a bit of rivalry going on?
 
what carver would he be talking about? i have two m1.5t and even the little cubes are fine amps that can drive anything. an acquaintance of mine had a big Adcom and it always ran hot.

they are good amps, though. maybe Bill and Bob had a bit of rivalry going on?


When I called up Bill I was going to run my infinity Q5's through a TFM 25 with 225/channel @8 ohms, then I read an article somewhere that stated the Carver amps become VERY unstable below 4 Ohms, and the Watkins woofers can draw down lower than 2 ohms sometimes getting close to 1 Ohm, hence the call to Bill, I asked him "I was thinking of running my speakers through a Carver" and before I finished my sentence he interrupted with "I wouldn't drive anything with a Carver get an Adcom" , My Adcom does run hot enough to cook on if I'm really cranking it, but I am very happy with it. I've just purchased a set of Infinity Q3's that I am dying to hear, once they get shipped out, Nirvana.
 
the carver ALS Plats (original ones) could dip to below 2 ohms. hence the reason Bob C designed his famous amps. i have heard of a fan mod for the big Adcoms somewhere. ime, heat kills amps eventually..
 
I sourced a pretty clean pair of these at an estate sale for $20.00, and am currently waiting on the courage to foam them (first time.)

I believe I have two amps that may be able to do them justice.

A Rotel 1080b

&

Kenwood KR-9600


In your opinion, which would do a better job?
 
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