Old thread, I know, but for anyone coming here for info like I do... Don't understand the hate that these get. I bought a pair that were in pristine condition, ($30) and re-foamed the woofers. I have many pairs of speakers, including JBL L-100, Sony SS-TL5, Pioneer CS-99A, and many Sansui SP series, etc... Just stating this, so you have an idea of what I've heard and am comparing them to. These are currently hooked up to my Sansui 8080, and I think they sound pretty dang good. A little lacking in the bass, but not bad at all. The cabinets and grills are beautiful on mine. I have them paired with a set of Wharfedale XP-2 at the moment. I did research them before I bought them - had they not been as cheap as they were, I would've passed based on the info I found. Now that they are re-foamed and I've heard them, I think they deserve better than what I've read. I've cranked them up pretty good on the 8080, and using no eq and just the tone controls on the mighty Sansui, I'm impressed with them. They sound clear and detailed, to me. They don't distort at volume, and the bass gets better as you add more power. Not a bad speaker, for what you can get them for. I wouldn't part with mine for any less than $150-$200, now that they are fixed. I've had a couple opportunities to sell them to buddies already. They sure are lookers.