Ironman 3 turntables

[Audio Fan]

I figured someone would have already asked this question, but I could not find it in any searches. Just watched Ironman 3 and noticed the two turntables below in the movie. Thought it quite interesting the use of turntables in a high-tech, AI robot managed garage.

Anyone recognize the TT's? The one on the left looks much older and plastic.

 

[beatcomber]

The one on the left is a crappy '70s BSR C123 R(?) and the one on the right is a Stanton STR8.150.

 

[MondoFanM]

It's wild all the movies I see now with turntables in them. Looper had a nice one.

 

[rolltide]

And if you have to ask why Tony Starks didn't just get an an actual Technics, then you don't get why he's a billionaire.

 

[fiddlefye]

Turning up in books as well.

 

[4Play]

You mean to tell me, with the bazillion dollars that Tony Stark has at his disposal, a BSR and a Stanton is the best he could come up with? :nono:

A sad day for superheroes. :thumbsdn:

 

[interalian]

You mean to tell me, with the bazillion dollars that Tony Stark has at his disposal, a BSR and a Stanton is the best he could come up with? :nono:

A sad day for superheroes. :thumbsdn:

Clearly a man with other priorities...

 

[gillsev]

Why is the Stanton's headshell straight (not angled for cartridge alignment)?

 

[Ken Boyd]

You mean to tell me, with the bazillion dollars that Tony Stark has at his disposal, a BSR and a Stanton is the best he could come up with? :nono:

A sad day for superheroes. :thumbsdn:

Maybe since they knew the home would be falling off into the ocean, they figured the BSR and Stanton wouldn't be a great loss.

 

[specialone53]

Why is the Stanton's headshell straight (not angled for cartridge alignment)?

It's some goofy new "fad" for DJ attraction, as I see it.
Utterly useless and just plain dumb.
But people fall for "fads", ya know.

 

[Montycat]

The one on the left is a crappy '70s BSR C123 R(?) and the one on the right is a Stanton STR8.150.

Good one! Before I even scrolled far enough to see your post I thought Stanton and BSR but would have had to research to get the models. The arm on that Stanton looks kind of alright though gives the impression of high mass for a straight arm.

 

[Montycat]

And were they actually playing the Charlie Brown Christmas album?

 

[Beobloke]

It's some goofy new "fad" for DJ attraction, as I see it.
Utterly useless and just plain dumb.
But people fall for "fads", ya know.

Actually it's not "utterly useless and just plain dumb".

Vestax came up with the concept and it's purely intended to make the arm more stable when the deck is used for scratch use. Normally, we apply anti-skate to counteract the inward pull of an offset arm which is all well and good, but when you reverse the platter direction, this force that was helping is now pushing in the same direction as the arm's natural outward movement and the stylus can consequently jump out of the groove unless a high tracking weight is applied.

With the short straignt arm, there is an area in the centre of the record where that arm will sit with no tendency to move inwards or outwards. If the 'scratching' is done here, then the arm will remain stable in the groove no matter which way the platter is turning.

So, not ideal for hi-fi use (although they won't actually damage your records like some naysayers would have you believe) but not usless when used for the purpose for which they were designed.

 

[KentTeffeteller]

Scratch is all that design is good for. Too short, underhung, won't align to any geometry favorable to use with better than conical styli. Outside of scratch use, it is a disadvantage for all other applications.

 

[specialone53]

Actually it's not "utterly useless and just plain dumb".

Vestax came up with the concept and it's purely intended to make the arm more stable when the deck is used for scratch use. Normally, we apply anti-skate to counteract the inward pull of an offset arm which is all well and good, but when you reverse the platter direction, this force that was helping is now pushing in the same direction as the arm's natural outward movement and the stylus can consequently jump out of the groove unless a high tracking weight is applied.

With the short straignt arm, there is an area in the centre of the record where that arm will sit with no tendency to move inwards or outwards. If the 'scratching' is done here, then the arm will remain stable in the groove no matter which way the platter is turning.

So, not ideal for hi-fi use (although they won't actually damage your records like some naysayers would have you believe) but not usless when used for the purpose for which they were designed.

I disagree with this because of the geometry involved.
It's a marketing tool made to sell, just like anything else, that's all.

 

[rolltide]

I disagree with this because of the geometry involved.
It's a marketing tool made to sell, just like anything else, that's all.

Marketing tool? Did you not just read his post where he lays out how its designed to be optimized for the specific use case that most people who purchase that table use it for, and his caveat it's not a HiFi product?

 

[Multiplex]

Actually it's not "utterly useless and just plain dumb".

Vestax came up with the concept and it's purely intended to make the arm more stable when the deck is used for scratch use. Normally, we apply anti-skate to counteract the inward pull of an offset arm which is all well and good, but when you reverse the platter direction, this force that was helping is now pushing in the same direction as the arm's natural outward movement and the stylus can consequently jump out of the groove unless a high tracking weight is applied.

With the short straignt arm, there is an area in the centre of the record where that arm will sit with no tendency to move inwards or outwards. If the 'scratching' is done here, then the arm will remain stable in the groove no matter which way the platter is turning.

So, not ideal for hi-fi use (although they won't actually damage your records like some naysayers would have you believe) but not usless when used for the purpose for which they were designed.

It won't damage your records if and only if you are using a conical cartridge. An elliptical, line contact, or shibata will damage records on an under hung arm. And, even with a conical, I would have to imagine that it can't be good for tracking, stereo separation, and sound quality in general, to be that far out of alignment. If the cantilever is being drug at a funky angle through the groove, I can't imagine that the suspension can do its job correctly. Won't this cause more wear on one groove wall or the other, prematurely? Of course, if you are "scratching" records, this is not of concern, I suppose...

 

[Tech-Nics]

Actually it's not "utterly useless and just plain dumb".

Vestax came up with the concept and it's purely intended to make the arm more stable when the deck is used for scratch use. Normally, we apply anti-skate to counteract the inward pull of an offset arm which is all well and good, but when you reverse the platter direction, this force that was helping is now pushing in the same direction as the arm's natural outward movement and the stylus can consequently jump out of the groove unless a high tracking weight is applied.

With the short straignt arm, there is an area in the centre of the record where that arm will sit with no tendency to move inwards or outwards. If the 'scratching' is done here, then the arm will remain stable in the groove no matter which way the platter is turning.

So, not ideal for hi-fi use (although they won't actually damage your records like some naysayers would have you believe) but not usless when used for the purpose for which they were designed.

You are 100% correct. There are even crazier things scratch DJ's do when they don't happen to have a straight tonearm.

http://cdn.shure.com/user_guide/upload/765/us_pro_dj-cartridges_ug.pdf

^^^^ Check out "Figure 6"

 

[sacflies]

I was putting a record on during the Christmas holidays and while as I was dropping the stylus down my 7 year old says "Jarvis, drop my needle". I had to think a second where he had heard that from. Then I looked at him with a big smile and said "Iron Man 3"! It's amazing what kids remember.

 

[escobaria]

It won't damage your records if and only if you are using a conical cartridge. An elliptical, line contact, or shibata will damage records on an under hung arm. And, even with a conical, I would have to imagine that it can't be good for tracking, stereo separation, and sound quality in general, to be that far out of alignment. If the cantilever is being drug at a funky angle through the groove, I can't imagine that the suspension can do its job correctly. Won't this cause more wear on one groove wall or the other, prematurely? Of course, if you are "scratching" records, this is not of concern, I suppose...

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