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It's starting to bug me...

mayidunk

mayidunk

A man of dubious taste...
OK. Someone here posted in a thread I started that using cheap CD-R disks actually destroyed a couple of their CD recorders. I asked how that could happen, but no real explanation was given.

It's starting to bug me, as I just can't see how using a CD-R can destroy equipment! So, how about it? Has anyone else here experienced equipment failure due to using cheap CD-R or CD-RW media? If so, exactly how did it cause your equipment to fail?

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Seems there's been a lot of misinformation posted around here recently. I can think of 5 instances just in the last few days where someone posted something as fact without ANY sort of knowledge to back it up. Not going to cite examples as I don't want to call these people out tho...
 
mayidunk said:
OK. Someone here posted in a thread I started that using cheap CD-R disks actually destroyed a couple of their CD recorders. I asked how that could happen, but no real explanation was given.
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Do you have the link so we can evaluate the comment in context?

I can see certain CD-Rs not being readable on some players after recording.
Some used CD recorders could fail because of condition.
Some brands of recorders may be more prone to failure than others.

Not sure how a cheap CD-R itself can destroy a CD recorder.
 
About the only thing I had come up with is that some earlier recorders would allow the laser to increase in power unhindered, to the point where it would eventually fog the lens. However, even if the ATIP data were inaccurate on a cheap disk, the recording machine should still be calibrated to only go high enough to burn the fastest media it was rated for. I could see bad recordings being produced as a result of bad ATIP data causing the laser to go into high gear for a slow speed burn, but still don't see how that might damage the recorder. Unless the laser was mis-calibrated at the machine's highest recording speeds, causing lens fogging, or causing the CD-R literally smoked, leaving a deposit on the lens, what else could happen? In fact, could any of this even be possible?? I would think the Rainbow Books (Orange Book) wouldn't even allow it!
 
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terra1 said:
Do you have the link so we can evaluate the comment in context?

I can see certain CD-Rs not being readable on some players after recording.
Some used CD recorders could fail because of condition.
Some brands of recorders may be more prone to failure than others.

Not sure how a cheap CD-R itself can destroy a CD recorder.
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I kind of don't want to point the guy out, but if you look around, you'll see it. I started the thread...
 
Maybe a bad cut for the spindle hole could wear the spindle on the burner? But you'd probably hear that long before it became a problem...I've seen some CDs not get gripped properly in certain players, but they were mostly commercial CDs with a glossy layer on the top.

The only problem I've had with cheap CD-Rs is that they tend to deteriorate and became useless after a couple of years. I think it would be a really freak case for a cheap disc to damage a burner, and it would probably not be that reproducible.
 
It seems to me that the Orange Book standards for the CD-R/CD-RW disks themselves are pretty tight as well. If a manufacturer didn't comply with the physical specs for the media they produce, I don't think they could even legally label them as Compact Disc media, never mind warantee them against any kind of defect?
 
mayidunk said:
I kind of don't want to point the guy out, but if you look around, you'll see it. I started the thread...
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I wouldn't worry about it.

I think you need to get more information from that poster.

The poster said he "blew" two DVD recorders. Not CD recorders. Whatever "blew" means. And if I recall, I think he only recently got a Tascam CD recorder.

Poster said there were skips, drops and not playable on other machines.

Take a look at my post and that's basically what I said can happen but not exclusively because of "cheap" CD-Rs.
 
Yup! Well, being that he may have been the only one with issues, I guess I'll just let sleeping dogs lie.

Thanks!
 
btw I guess I can see if the CD-R has skipping reading problems, there could be some thrashing - lens going back and forth that could cause mechanical wear - but I would hope you would have decided to change brands before a year is up.

I used to use TDK audio/music CDs with my Pioneer PDR-555RW cd recorder until they changed the formulation and recordings wouldn't play on some older CD players. Then switched to Sony music CD-Rs and they played fine on all my players.

Since then I got a pro Tascam 750 which uses data CD-Rs and I have no problems at all.
 
Rick Vestal said:
Seems there's been a lot of misinformation posted around here recently. I can think of 5 instances just in the last few days where someone posted something as fact without ANY sort of knowledge to back it up...
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I wonder why that is?
 
mayidunk said:
I wonder why that is?
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It's nothing new at all, I've seen it on every car, gun and audio board I've ever been on.

"Guys" just think they know everything about those particular subjects, even if they don't actually know anything at all.

I mean I've been mistaken before, but I never post on subjects I know nothing about.
 
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