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J pole for FM antenna?

Mr.Texas

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I live in a densely populated area (flat terrain)and am interested in building an antenna specifically for FM radio. The copper j pole design seems to be easy enough to build. If tuned to 98 MHz, what range could I expect?
My goal is to
A) increase the FM signal
B) listen to a station ~40miles away
C) tuck it away (maybe in the attic-HOA compliance)
D) Gain better understanding of antenna designs
E) Get the best range out of a passive antenna

I know a simple dipole would be just fine, but it's not good enough for DX on the Yamaha cr640


Thanks in advance
 
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The best indication of expected range would probably be checking radio-locator and/or fmfool online and providing your exact location to get an instant report of various stations and their signal strength. Comparing the strength of the station you want relative to other stations can be informative. The results you see there cannot be guaranteed because there are so many variables involved with reception. If you take the time to read all the explanations of the abbreviations used for various columns of results, you can get an idea of how challenging the desired signal may be.

http://radio-locator.com/

http://fmfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
 
I built a J-pole for my place in the mountains that has only 1 fm station. Now I can pull 3 other FM stations from over 100 miles. I tuned to the same frequency. Fun project as I know nothing about antennas.
 
I built a J-pole for my place in the mountains that has only 1 fm station. Now I can pull 3 other FM stations from over 100 miles. I tuned to the same frequency. Fun project as I know nothing about antennas.
With FM's worst reception problems, it often calls for extreme measures. Well done.
 
A dipole antenna is a fine antenna for what it is (a unity gain antenna in free space) and poor is a relative term. The important thing is how much signal is seen by the antenna for the station(s) of interest. A dipole may meet all the needs of a person or it may not and a directional antenna with gain may be needed. The amount of gain and HAAT needed will depend on the amount of signal available to the antenna.

Not everyone, especially when HOAs are involved, will have a choice to use an outdoor antenna, let alone a high profile directional antenna with a rotator.

You mentioned DX in your post. This can mean different things to different people. Extreme DXers go for the most signal possible, paying attention to each fraction of a dB. This usually means the use of purpose built FM broadcast band directional antenna and a rotator.

The j-pole antenna is an end fed, half wave, unity gain antenna in free space.

They can be a fun construction project, but they do not violate any laws of physics in terms of performance. There is nothing magic about their performance. A lot of people have built this antenna and it seems to work okay for the most part.

There is a some variation in the accuracy of the construction plans found on the internet.

The use of a correct common mode RF choke at the feed point can improve the performance of this antenna.

The pick up pattern of this antenna is not completely omni-directional and without the use of a common mode RF choke it is even less so. The outside of the shield of the coaxial cable becomes part of the antenna and the position of the coaxial cable can change the reception pattern. Local electrical noise can be picked up by the outside of the shield of the coaxial cable.

In general TV antennas do not work as well as purpose built FM broadcast band antennas, but might just work okay depending on the available RF signal strength.

TV antennas such as those in the link above do not necessarily provide good FM broadcast band performance. They usually have only one element for the VHF frequencies (not tuned to the FM broadcast band) and achieve their claims of gain by the use of a broadband RF amplifier.

These amplifiers boost a very wide range of frequencies other than the FM frequencies and this may cause unwanted issues and may add unwanted noise to the signal.

FM Fool gives the expected RF signal strength in numbers and as mentioned you can compare the numbers to the quality of reception at your location.

"B) listen to a station ~40miles away" Look at the signal strength available using FM Fool this will help you decide how much antenna you may need. Remember this is only an estimate.

"A) increase the FM signal" and "E) Get the best range out of a passive antenna" Directional antennas in general give the most gain (range) but may require the use of a rotator.

What works well for one person may or may not work the same for another person in a different location (even just down the block) Without an RF sight survey and actually measuring the RF field strength and direction of the station(s) of interest, or experience in that location, it is all arm chair conjecture. What works well for one person may or may not work the same for another person in a different location.

What are you using for an antenna at this time and how well are you able to receive the station of interest? How well can you receive this station on your car radio.
 
I built a J-pole for my place in the mountains that has only 1 fm station. Now I can pull 3 other FM stations from over 100 miles. I tuned to the same frequency. Fun project as I know nothing about antennas.

I am in an FM "hole" and use a DYI J-Pole to feed my Sony XDR-F1HD tuner. It works better than anything else I have tried.

Admittedly, I haven't tried the more expensive rotating antennas as seen here. https://www.google.com/#q=rotating+fm+antenna

Thanks to both for posting these results. This is useful information for those in need of an omnidirectional antenna and might like to try a J-pole.
 
A dipole antenna is a fine antenna for what it is (a unity gain antenna in free space) and poor is a relative term. The important thing is how much signal is seen by the antenna for the station(s) of interest. A dipole may meet all the needs of a person or it may not and a directional antenna with gain may be needed. The amount of gain and HAAT needed will depend on the amount of signal available to the antenna.

Not everyone, especially when HOAs are involved, will have a choice to use an outdoor antenna, let alone a high profile directional antenna with a rotator.

You mentioned DX in your post. This can mean different things to different people. Extreme DXers go for the most signal possible, paying attention to each fraction of a dB. This usually means the use of purpose built FM broadcast band directional antenna and a rotator.

The j-pole antenna is an end fed, half wave, unity gain antenna in free space.

They can be a fun construction project, but they do not violate any laws of physics in terms of performance. There is nothing magic about their performance. A lot of people have built this antenna and it seems to work okay for the most part.

There is a some variation in the accuracy of the construction plans found on the internet.

The use of a correct common mode RF choke at the feed point can improve the performance of this antenna.


The pick up pattern of this antenna is not completely omni-directional and without the use of a common mode RF choke it is even less so. The outside of the shield of the coaxial cable becomes part of the antenna and the position of the coaxial cable can change the reception pattern. Local electrical noise can be picked up by the outside of the shield of the coaxial cable.

In general TV antennas do not work as well as purpose built FM broadcast band antennas, but might just work okay depending on the available RF signal strength.

TV antennas such as those in the link above do not necessarily provide good FM broadcast band performance. They usually have only one element for the VHF frequencies (not tuned to the FM broadcast band) and achieve their claims of gain by the use of a broadband RF amplifier.

These amplifiers boost a very wide range of frequencies other than the FM frequencies and this may cause unwanted issues and may add unwanted noise to the signal.

FM Fool gives the expected RF signal strength in numbers and as mentioned you can compare the numbers to the quality of reception at your location.

"B) listen to a station ~40miles away" Look at the signal strength available using FM Fool this will help you decide how much antenna you may need. Remember this is only an estimate.

"A) increase the FM signal" and "E) Get the best range out of a passive antenna" Directional antennas in general give the most gain (range) but may require the use of a rotator.

What works well for one person may or may not work the same for another person in a different location (even just down the block) Without an RF sight survey and actually measuring the RF field strength and direction of the station(s) of interest, or experience in that location, it is all arm chair conjecture. What works well for one person may or may not work the same for another person in a different location.

What are you using for an antenna at this time and how well are you able to receive the station of interest? How well can you receive this station on your car radio.

A lot of solid information in this post! You know, I think we can say that almost all antennas are derived from one of two basic ones: The Dipole (Hertz) or the end-fed (Marconi). Dipoles are used as the transmitting antenna (often in multiple bays) by some of the major FM stations. And the elegant multi-bay Superturnstile antenna that has been in service for some 60 or more years, is really just a fancy elaboration of the dipole! The principle of antenna reciprocity comes to mind: If a given type makes a good transmitting antenna, it can also be a good receiving antenna.

Even the driven element in Yagi-Uda or Log periodic is a dipole!

And then look at all the uses for the Marconi. AM broadcast stations use them. So does the military. Ham radio operators depend on them for the lower amateur bands. Boats use them in the marine communication bands. And more recently, we have J-poles and the Magnum Dynalab FM antenna--all basically Marconi end-fed derivatives, and finding application for FM fans with special space requirements. There's the CB whip antenna and the AM/FM whip on cars. And even the telescoping antenna on my shortwave radio is an end-fed Marconi.

I know, I left out the fractal antenna. No idea how it might be related to either Hertz or Marconi!
 
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