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Janszen Electrostatics

I saw some strange looking speakers today. The tag said Janszen Electrostatic, but didnt give a model number. They have 2 woofers per speaker, with inverted surrounds, 12" I think. There are 8 little electrostatic panels per speaker. Condition was a little rough. There are connections on the back for bi-amping. Anyone know exactly what they are?

John
 
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Yes, they are, as you say, Janszen Electrostatic speakers! A very very fine speaker indeed! I had the privlige of hearing Brainsmasher's a couple of weeks ago. I'd love a pair.
 
Are the fronts in a pair of v-shape sloping back from the bottom to the top panels? 1 woofer per panel with an array of 4 tweeters. If so, they are the Z-824HP speakers and if you do not pick them you then you should resign from here, sell your entire electronic collection and become a hermit in an area that does not have electricity.

Early units used foam grills that turned to mush and JansZen sold a replacement cloth on frame at the end of the production and after market.

If they are 824s, they are a double Z412HP per unit rated at 4 ohms. Custom builds on special order only in pecan wood and sold for $3,000 per pair in about '72 - '74. Very few pairs were made and sold. At that time $3,000 speakers were both rare and at the top of the price heap.

Woofers were special and will need surrounds and the power supplies and x-overs will need new caps. Depending on x-over version there are omething like 12 caps per combined x-over and power supply but actually not as daunghting as it sounds to rebuild.

I still have a really poor quality sheet on them.

I bought a set when they came out and at the time my speakers were Klipsch Cornwall, KLH Nine and the 824. It was intereting to have both of Art's ultimate design under 1 roof. The Nine being the full range and the 824 being hybrid. From 800 hz up the 824s were better than the Nines since they used his later and better Series II tweeters while the Nines IMHO had the better low end since bass out of a full range electrostatic is to die for IMHO. The 824 has bass extension far in excess of the Nine and went to the basement. Comapring the 824 bass to an AR3a, the 3a seemed to go lower but the detail in the bass of the 824 made 1 realize how poor the bass in the AR really is.

Each of my speakers sounded different and between them could never figure out which I liked better or which reproduced the music closer to the original. 3 different interpretations of the same. As all 3 were LARGE speakers I had to sell something and finally threw an add in the paper for all 3 with something to the effect whoever wants what gets it. The Klipsch went immediately. Neither of the others sold as they were not going cheap. When wife decided on th d/m she kept the JanZen and I got the Nines. I understand she sold them for next to nothing as soon as I vacated knowing that I was going to give here the cash equal to what I would have sold them for. Yeah, she had a bit of a mean streak.

The x-over between the woofer and tweeters in the 824 is a bit tricky as with any hybrid. Happily the adjustment is on the front.

I have a pair of Z412HPs with rough condition cabs and the ps and -overs need rebuild. Wife keeps telling me to dump them but can not bring myself to remve them from the restoration pile. I've had them for 25 years.
 
You can go to ebay completed listings and see some Janzens - very nice. You can also search here for RtR hybrids and see the ones that I have, on the second page click on the thumbnail pics that were posted by a great audiokarma guy. The RtR's bought some of the Janzen electrostatic tooling - there is a brief description on the Martin Logan web site.
I would try and here them before I bought them to see if the high voltage power supply is working.
 
RtR and JansZen were manufacturered during the same period and the design of the RtR panel is different from the JansZen so suspect that RtR tooling was not from JansZen.
 
RtR did make their own speakers- reference their ESL series that does look different but they did aquire the Janzen tooling - it does not matter - they both sound very, very good ! I had a pair of RtR 280's back in the early 70's and they blew the doors off of the "new" Bose 901"s, they are a very power hungry speaker. When driving my electrostics with a quality DVD or soundtrack my amp will go into protection mode until I turn them down. I Need More Power !

Best Regards -
 
In the late '80s when I got the crossovers rebuilt and a set of woofers for my Z412HPs, Don Kweller(SP?) had the ability to make replacementI tweeters that the speakers used. By this time RtR was no longer producing electrostatics. Don was the last exec to leave JansZen when Art closed down and took with him much of the files, remaining parts and materials. So, if RtR got anything it would have been the long discontinued Series I which would have had no value to them assuming that Don only could produce the Series II which had had for my speakers. We never disussed the Series I which was used with the Nesheminy Company's produced JansZen and the KLH Nine. He specifically mentioned he did complete restorations on the 824s and 412HPs with the bi-wire crossover that was actually the first but Art never patented the idea. For those who would pipe in that AR had it, actually they retained the common leg which they and KLH used but Art designed the true bi-wire crossover. This was discovered in 1990 - 1991 when I was counsel on a patenet infringement case against some UK speaker companies in Japan. It was the last time I saw Art who I was going to do a deposition of but on meetng with him, he was too weak and mentally unaware to do the deposition. He died not long after and was 1 of the last remaining friends from my youthful days in audio.
 
It would be a sin not to grab the Janszens no matter what the condition. Be ready to have the power supplies rebuilt at a cost of $200-500, that is pretty much a necessity at the age they are. If they are a better version than the ones I am using your search should come to an end. I am in the process of moving and quite honestly I bought a house to better show off these speakers. Here are the ones I am using now, Z 40's. http://audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17138

Best of luck
 
brainsmasher said:
It would be a sin not to grab the Janszens no matter what the condition. Be ready to have the power supplies rebuilt at a cost of $200-500, that is pretty much a necessity at the age they are. If they are a better version than the ones I am using your search should come to an end. I am in the process of moving and quite honestly I bought a house to better show off these speakers. Here are the ones I am using now, Z 40's. http://audiokarma.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17138

Best of luck

I can't wait to hear these when you have them properly set up. They sounded amazing in less than ideal conditions.

Take care,

Ed
 
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