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And, do you know of any monitors using the same driver complement as the L100t?
JBL 4312a for living room??
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I couldn't say off the top of my head. They do share very close versions of the 1" titanium tweeter and 12" woofer and possibly other woofers that I am not aware of. I don't believed they ever shared the same midrange drivers. In JBL's defense, they never claimed the Lxx/xxxT speakers had identical sets of drivers as some studio monitors. They said the T series had direct twins which obviously wasn't meant to imply they were exact copies since the enclosures were very different. I took what was said in the brochure as a claim they were "twins" regarding sound reproduction along with having some shared, or very similar, components. They probably meant there was fraternal twin variants in the studio monitor line and not an identical twin.
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That's wonderful rationalization which avoids answering "what studio monitor shares the same driver complement as the L100t?"
When you look at L112 and 4411 the drivers are the same but the configuration changes due to near-field placement intent. The crossovers are different, the grilles different, and the cabinets, too. But I just don't know of anything even that close in the studio monitor range to the L100t. I realize I may be beating a dead horse here but I didn't make the statement and I'm not sure why those who make this claim find this a field to die on instead of directly showing the comparison they suggest. Granted an L300 is truly a home-version of the 4333, but I'm just asking what is the equivalent for the L100t as in the "direct twins" claimed above?
Not a big deal if there is or isn't one! But why make the claim if it isn't true?
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Granted, many like to fiddle—whether or not they understand or can discern the difference. If you are carefully measuring room response and adjusting for a purpose, it's wonderful to have L-pads. In most cases they are set to the manufacturer's recommendation and stay that way. There is a good argument to be made that taking them out of the path offers a cleaner result, especially over time as they corrode from lack of use. Regardless, JBL has made that jump to no L-pads in several lines. I dare say JBL included them on the new L100 "Classic" simply because the original had them. None of the final line of 44xx studio monitors used them. The only model in the consumer "t" line that offers any adjustability and those are the 250ti which uses movable bus-bars instead of L-pads. My guess would be more owners use their tone controls or EQ than fiddle with L-pads. I would suggest that if you have them, rotate them annually to prevent the problems we know will result from decades of deterioration just sitting there not being used.
I did respond to what studio monitors share the same drivers. Some share close, if not identical, drivers and some do not. I have never had more than a passing interest in the studio monitor line of speakers and doing a deep dive into them isn't on my bucket list.That's wonderful rationalization which avoids answering "what studio monitor shares the same driver complement as the L100t?"
When you look at L112 and 4411 the drivers are the same but the configuration changes due to near-field placement intent. The crossovers are different, the grilles different, and the cabinets, too. But I just don't know of anything even that close in the studio monitor range to the L100t. I realize I may be beating a dead horse here but I didn't make the statement and I'm not sure why those who make this claim find this a field to die on instead of directly showing the comparison they suggest. Granted an L300 is truly a home-version of the 4333, but I'm just asking what is the equivalent for the L100t as in the "direct twins" claimed above?
Not a big deal if there is or isn't one! But why make the claim if it isn't true?
I am in agreement with you that their are no identical twins between the T/t3 series and I don't think JBL meant there are because the difference in the enclosures alone nullify this. I am not sure if you have read the entire brochure but what JBL was saying is the T series gives a close replication of the sound from the studio series of speakers. I know the T/t3 series don't completely replicate the studio monitors in form or function. I do think that since JBL designed the studio monitors in question, they would have the knowledge to make the T/t3 series mimic them from a listening aspect to a decent degree.Also, when I made my initial statement, I knew about JBL's previous claims and had read their brochures. I didn't think anyone would think I was claiming there to be identical copies of the L/t3 line in the studio line because the difference in the cabinets alone nullify this as a possibility. I was passing on JBL's claims. Maybe I should have been more clear but I did not expect anyone to take what I said literally because I never took what JBL said literally. It seems to me that JBL is the only one that can answer your questions but I think they would say something similar to what I have said. Which is there are no identical speakers between the two lines but there are close similarities in their designs to allow them to share close to the same sound output. It does make sense that the designs would vary because the environments they are placed in would require this for them to sound similar.
I too agree that this is not a big deal and hopefully I have clarified why I stated what I said.
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Agreed, but my point wasn't that there aren't any similarities between some JBL consumer speakers and their studio monitors—disregarding obvious differences such as cabinets, etc—but there there is no studio monitor which uses even the same speakers (drivers) as the L100t. Not really even anything close. As I said, happy for someone to set me straight on this and I do understand that hyperbole is quite common in corporate advertising claims. This is simply to clear up a point of fact.I too agree that this is not a big deal and hopefully I have clarified why I stated what I said.
I always end up using the L-pads on my Econowave Deluxe speakers to tame in-room response at parties. That way no matter how high the DJ spins up the treble pot on the mixer, our ears won't end up bleeding. It's a useful tool to have on hand.
Having said that, I don't miss the L-pads on my Array 1400s in the main system at home.
Having said that, I don't miss the L-pads on my Array 1400s in the main system at home.
Ain't that the truth! I might need to set these up down at the shop and crank the volume.The L100T3 is a fine speaker and the fact that it is NOT copying any studio monitor is to its credit. Give them enough amp and just enjoy them.
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The 4425 continued in production into 2000, longer than the 4430 and about 5-years longer than the 4435. The last of the original 44xx monitors to continue in production were the 4412A, 4410A, and the 4408A, the final versions of those remaining in production into 2006—with no L-pads.
Coytee
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So, how loud is 10 watts? I'd say it depends on the speaker choice!
10 watts through some heat-sink speakers that have a sensitivity of 89 db/watt would be distinctly LESS loud than that same power going through a set of 100+ db/watt Klipschorns, no??
The 4412A was the first JBL "bookshelf" monitor that measured ruler-flat. Anyone who is telling you that it is somehow similar in sound to the L100/4410 or other early monitors, has likely never measured the response from the 4412As properly installed in a studio.
I also had a pair in my home, very much liked them (although they lack the deep bass of the 15" JBL systems), very detailed sound, very accurate, and it is true that not everyone likes that sound. Many people prefer a more relaxed sound in their homes (or at all), many prefer the flat & accurate sound, it's a preference thing.
I also had a pair in my home, very much liked them (although they lack the deep bass of the 15" JBL systems), very detailed sound, very accurate, and it is true that not everyone likes that sound. Many people prefer a more relaxed sound in their homes (or at all), many prefer the flat & accurate sound, it's a preference thing.
malden
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It's a fine line between many JBL consumer models and the so called "studio monitors". Seems the only real differences are the enclosure types, slight differences in crossovers and in some cases the presence of the color blue.
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