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JBL L5 Capacitor PSA

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I just redid the electrolytic capacitors in my JBL L5s, and decided to test the old ones to see how bad they really were.

Of the 10 total caps (5 per speaker), 6 tested very, very bad. Those 6 were all 20-80% over their rated capacitance. Only the 12 and 13 MFD caps were within the stated 10% tolerance.

The caps that went bad were T.I. branded nonpolarized caps. If you peek in through the woofer they're a very distinct bright orange color that you should immediately be able to pick out:

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The JBL L5s are getting to the 30 year mark (they ran '92-'96), which is generally when you want to do the caps anyway, but given how far these were out in my pair, I'd consider doing it sooner than later.

I wish I'd taken more pics through the process, but if you're planning on tackling this project know that it's not super beginner friendly. I'm a fairly experienced DIYer and it took me an entire day to do right. You can get the board out through the woofer opening, but it was clearly placed with the rest of the speaker built around it.

Troublesome issues you'll encounter are:

- The upper screws holding the board in, which are difficult to access. You'll need a stubby phillips screw driver.
- A hidden screw in the top rivet of the power transformer. This will require a medium length screwdriver to get at; just tall enough to clear the transformer but stubby enough to avoid the lower midrange enclosure.
- The fact that they soldered all of the driver wires onto the board instead of using terminals, so you either have to unplug all the drivers and pop out the glue plugs holding them in place for the individual housings... or, as I did, cut the wires and install a bus bar with terminals so that you can just unplug them for servicing in the future.
- The fact that they used a figurative ton of hot snot to hold the caps in place.
- Some of the spaces for the caps are tight, so if you want to use polypropylene caps you'll need to be creative.

If you are experienced and decide to tackle this, here are the caps you'll need for a PAIR of speakers. All caps are NP (non-polarized) and rated at 100V:
- 80 MFD x2
- 128 MFD x2
- 12 MFD x2
- 13 MFD x2
- 47 MFD x2

Some of these proved hard to find in NP form, particularly the 128, so I wound up hooking a 120 and an 8 in parallel for that one. You're proabably fine if you can get in 5% of the rated value. Luckily they silkscreened the original values on the board so you can stray a little bit and still have the original values even if you don't write them down.

Given how out of whack the caps were, replacing them did have a noticeable effect on the sound quality, particularly the midrange. The midrange sounded much flatter before the replacement. After replacing the caps and running them in for a couple of hours (they'd been sitting in my closet for almost two years) the midrange is way more forward, as it should've been in the first place.
 
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That's a great speaker. It's a shame that nearly all of them were fed by crap amplifiers. Given a solid amp, they could really sing.
 
That's a great speaker. It's a shame that nearly all of them were fed by crap amplifiers. Given a solid amp, they could really sing.

Agreed, they're excellent. They sounded good even with their crossover values messed up by bad caps, just a little flat in the mid range. Now that's fixed and they sound even better than before.

The Kenwood KA-801 does an excellent job driving them. I've never had any issues getting deep, accurate bass and pretty good imaging with the right tracks.
 
I know it's not the same amp as yours, but you might find this interesting.
http://www.cdkands.com/ka91002/ka91001.html
This guy has done several Kenwoods. The results are beautiful.

That's fantastic, and it's getting bookmarked.

I wish I'd found it a few years ago when I did mine. He has allot of good tips that would've saved me massive headaches. Plus a few things that I might go back in and do, like where he cut piping to fit the smaller replacement main caps into their original harnesses. That's clever.

While I love my KA-801, it's admittedly not quite up to the same build standards as the X100 series. It was the beginning of cost cutting, and it only got worse from there on. He goes over this a bit in his restoration of the KA-801's older brother, the KA-907. http://www.cdkands.com/ka907_1.html
 
Agreed, they're excellent. They sounded good even with their crossover values messed up by bad caps, just a little flat in the mid range. Now that's fixed and they sound even better than before.

The Kenwood KA-801 does an excellent job driving them. I've never had any issues getting deep, accurate bass and pretty good imaging with the right tracks.
One of your comments made me remember a recent experience I had.

I responded to a for-sale ad in craigs list for a pair of L5's in "great condition". I went to see them and visually they looked great. However, when I did a sound check on them, listening to music, I noticed one of the speakers sounded "just a little flat on the midrange". I switched wires from L-R to R-L and the same speaker still sounded "a little flat on the midrange".

Disappointed, I asked the seller to feed it sound from an online tone generator (onlinetonegenerator.com). I used the values 60, 120, 250, 500, 750, 1000, 2000, 4000, 8000, and 10000. The low and hi woofers seemed to be ok. But I noticed that between 500-1000 (if I remember correctly), something which sounded like "white noise" started coming out of the titanium tweeters. And at some of the higher frequencies, a little bit of "crackling" noise also came out of the tweeter. I didn't find anything wrong with the midrange, but that might be because I was testing one speaker at a time, and not simultaneously side by side.

Needless to say, I didn't buy the speakers. I was wondering, in terms of the crossover components, what would explain what I experienced?

TIA
 
One of your comments made me remember a recent experience I had.

I responded to a for-sale ad in craigs list for a pair of L5's in "great condition". I went to see them and visually they looked great. However, when I did a sound check on them, listening to music, I noticed one of the speakers sounded "just a little flat on the midrange". I switched wires from L-R to R-L and the same speaker still sounded "a little flat on the midrange".

Disappointed, I asked the seller to feed it sound from an online tone generator (onlinetonegenerator.com). I used the values 60, 120, 250, 500, 750, 1000, 2000, 4000, 8000, and 10000. The low and hi woofers seemed to be ok. But I noticed that between 500-1000 (if I remember correctly), something which sounded like "white noise" started coming out of the titanium tweeters. And at some of the higher frequencies, a little bit of "crackling" noise also came out of the tweeter. I didn't find anything wrong with the midrange, but that might be because I was testing one speaker at a time, and not simultaneously side by side.

Needless to say, I didn't buy the speakers. I was wondering, in terms of the crossover components, what would explain what I experienced?

TIA

The caps in the tweeter path are ceramic so I'd lean towards no.

I also had an intermittent tweeter issue a few years back and cleared it up by sanding and deoxidizing the tweeter connectors... but I never heard white noise. It would just cut out from time to time.
 
The caps in the tweeter path are ceramic so I'd lean towards no.

I also had an intermittent tweeter issue a few years back and cleared it up by sanding and deoxidizing the tweeter connectors... but I never heard white noise. It would just cut out from time to time.
What would explain the "flat on the midrange" sound?
 
I love mine. I need to find the brand of caps that fit the board. I run L5s and L7s in different systems. These were a work of genius...but they're ageing.
 
Just a warning, in case you've forgotten: When you remove the L-series tweeters DO NOT be tempted to straighten the terminals or move them when removing the Faston connectors from them. The wires from the terminals to the diaphragm are very tiny and fragile. More of these 35i-series tweeters are damaged from taking them out of the cabinet than from playing them loud with plenty of power. These can be repaired but just don't make the mistake that causes the issue in the first place.
:deal:
 
All the damn glue on the board makes it daunting. I've recapped speakers before and i'm just terrified about removing the drivers and tweeters and damaging them.

I always felt that the highs on mine were a bit subdued but the mids are great and the bass fantastic.
 
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