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JBL L7 vs L150

Aircraftman

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Hello all, proud owner of a pair of L166 here! Thoroughly enjoying them, but getting a little bit of an itch or something larger in a floor standing unit.

There’s a pair of L7 and L150 (not the A model) for sale locally at about the same price point and condition (good).

I mostly listen to loud rock and electronic music.

I’d love to get your opinions on which would be the better speaker.

Thank you & best regards
 
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Hello all, proud owner of a pair of L166 here! Thoroughly enjoying them, but getting a little bit of an itch or something larger in a floor standing unit.

There’s a pair of L7 and L150 (not the A model) for sale locally at about the same price point and condition (good).

I mostly listen to loud rock and electronic music.

I’d love to get your opinions on which would be the better speaker.

Thank you & best regards
Altec Lansing 19s. You'll love it.
 
MA6600, 200 watts of Mcintosh power. 20’ x 30’ x 10’
Altec A7's fill my 600 s.f. space (14 ft ceilings) with glorious sound and they don't need much power. I'm currently using an Adcom GFA-535 which is about 60 watts per channel. I've tried smaller floor standing speakers in the space but they just do not fill the room
 
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My main set up in this room it’s a pair of Talon Raven C, the combo will easily water your eyes or chase you from the room with high volume levels.

I appreciate the advice on other speakers, but the only two that are in consideration at this point are the L7 and L150. I’m looking for something that will take the L166 sound to the next level in the JBL catalog.
 
There’s a pair of L7 and L150 (not the A model) for sale locally at about the same price point and condition (good).

I mostly listen to loud rock and electronic music.

I’d love to get your opinions on which would be the better speaker.
the only two that are in consideration at this point are the L7 and L150. I’m looking for something that will take the L166 sound to the next level in the JBL catalog.

I think you're dealing with a pros and cons situation mixed with lots of potential subjective preferences. Maybe I can give you at least a bit to work with in helping you make your decision.

Let's start with the L166, since that's where you're coming from. It comes with the 066 tweeter which was one of JBL's earlier dome tweeters as they moved away from paper-cone tweeters in the late 70's. The 066 is well regarded for it's ability to extend well into the very high frequencies, but on the flip-side, it's a very fragile tweeter with very low power-handling. In fact, in order to protect the fragile 066 tweeter, the crossover between the mid-range and tweeter in the L166 is set all the way up at 6000Hz, offloading as much of the lower treble as they could get away with (too much IMO) onto the LE5 midrange driver to reduce the burden on the tweeter.

To elaborate on this a bit, the L166 uses the LE5-8 midrange, while the L150 uses the LE5-10 midrange. These two LE5 midrange drivers are actually functionally identical and fully interchangeable, differing only by the color of the faceplate (black vs silver). But while the L166 runs the LE5-8 all the way up to 6000Hz, the L150 only runs the LE5-10 up to 4000Hz. This is significant for two reasons. One is that the LE5 drivers have a rising response (output increases as frequency rises). The other is that when a driver is tasked with producing frequencies far above it's ideal range, they begin to become directional, mainly projecting sound forward. That can create a situation like with the L100 (where the woofer is run full-range) where it sounds fine when you are standing right in front of it, but when you move to the side, certain frequencies begin to drop out. So for both of those reasons, it's really iffy to have that 6000Hz crossover. It's clearly something that was done as an acoustic compromise in order to protect that 066 tweeter.

The LE5-8 midrange itself is a competent, good-sounding midrange driver that gets the job done, with the only questionable aspect about it, in the L166, being that very high crossover frequency.

The 122A woofer in the L166 is a fine woofer, but limited in it's maximum potential power-handling by it's Alnico magnet, which can suffer partial demagnetization events when overpowered, which are cumulative and permanent. The only way to fix this would be to have the magnet recharged at a facility. Newer ferrite magnets do not have this issue.

The L150. I'm personally a big fan of the L150. It's the speaker that got me into JBL, and subjectively my favorite pair. The L150 should not be a massive departure from the sound that you have come to enjoy from your L166, but it should be an improvement.

The 033 tweeter in the L150 has more power-handling than the 066, at the expense of a tiny bit of high-end frequency response. The frequency where it rolls off is still high enough that you likely won't miss anything, and the increased power handling avoids the need for an obnoxiously high crossover frequency with the midrange driver, allowing each driver to focus on doing what it does best. The 033 is a very easy tweeter to listen to without sounding veiled like some older paper-cone tweeters can. The 066 and 033 are still more similar to each other than they are different so this will not likely be a massive departure from what you are used to with the L166.

The LE5-10 midrange driver in the L150, again, is functionally identical to the LE5-8 in your L166, so you should expect the midrange to be very similar. I do believe that the LE5-10/033 is a better combo than the LE5-8/066, but mainly due to the better crossover frequency used between the LE5 and 033.

The 128H woofer in the L150 is the real star of the show IMO. It's a direct improvement over the 122A, being very similar but utilizing a ferrite magnet and offering increased power-handling. While the 128H was used in many vintage JBL designs, most of them were bookshelf designs like the L112, 120ti, 4412, etc. While all of those are fantastic speakers, the L150 with it's increased cabinet volume and passive radiator really takes it to the next level IMO.

The PR300 Passive Radiator in the L150 performs the same function as a port does in a ported speaker. However, passive radiator has several advantages over a ported design. One advantage is that you completely eliminate any port-noise or "port chuffing" during heavy bass. Another advantage is that a passive radiator offers tuning options that would be impractical with a port. Certain tuning frequencies might only be possible with a port tube that was 10 feet long for example, which would not be practical, but you could replicate that using a passive radiator instead. Yet another advantage is that the tuning frequency of the passive radiator can actually be changed to suit your preferences. This is done by adding or removing weight from the rear of the passive radiator, and has the same effect as lengthening or shortening a port tube would have. Less weight results in more of a mid-bass hump. More weight results in less mid-bass but more low-end extension.

The L150 is tuned to offer fantastic low-end response, having a low-end bass hump and not even starting to roll-off until below ~45Hz or so. In addition, the passive radiator imparts a certain "texture" to the bass that I personally love quite a bit, but of course that is subjective.

The L7. The L7 is a beast of a speaker, and from a purely objective technical perspective is the best choice. The 4-way design with appropriate crossover frequencies ensures that each driver gets to focus on what it does best.

The 035TiA tweeter in the L7 is a fairly legendary JBL tweeter that has been used in countless models that sold for nearly two decades. It's a great sounding tweeter, but it can be slightly harsh/metallic sounding especially compared to older dome tweeters like the 066 or 033. This issue is easily exacerbated by a known foam plug issue with these tweeters where the foam underneath the titanium tweeter dome, which is meant to dampen the dome, disintegrates over time and no longer properly dampens the dome anymore. Fixing this is a very delicate repair.

The 704G midrange is underrated IMO, and I would say at least as good as any LE5. It's a very good sounding midrange driver.

The 708G-1 midbass driver is a great midbass driver. 8" is a great size for a midbass driver, and this driver is the same driver that is used as the low-frequency woofer in the L5. It's a very robust woofer with good punch.

The LE120H-1 woofer is competent woofer. Not nearly as common as the 128H, especially in the USA. I've unfortunately never had the chance to put this woofer through it's paces but I can't imagine it holding anything back.

Overall, it would be hard not to recommend going with the L7. If you're looking for something that is a clear technological leap over the L166, the L7 certainly qualifies. I wouldn't automatically discount the L150 though. As someone who is also into loud rock and electronic music, bass is hugely important. The L7 will almost certainly have more midbass punch due to the dedicated midbass driver, but the amazing texture of the fantastic deep bass offered by the 128H and passive radiator combo in the L150 can't be overstated. The 035TiA tweeter is technically a better tweeter but as someone who listens to a 033 and an 035Ti (L100T) side by side nearly every day, you're not missing anything critical by going with the 033, and in fact I actually prefer the 033. The 033 also doesn't have the deteriorating foam under the dome issue to worry about. The L150 probably has more collector value, as the L-series (such as the L7) has always fallen under the radar, and the black painted cabinets don't have the same appeal of the oiled-walnut cabinets of the L150. Another thing to consider is positioning. The L7 has a rear port and side woofers that need some space. The L150 is more forgiving if you have to have it up against a rear wall, since it has no port.

Really, neither would be a bad choice. I would get as much info about both as possible. If one of them has a critical flaw, such as damage, or a driver that has been swapped out with a non-JBL replacement, then that would be hugely important to know and would probably be a good indicator of which direction to proceed.
 
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Not much to add to @Chris Brown 's very thorough reply other than to add that the L7's side woofer, the LE120H-1 probably found more use in other companies' dedicated sub-woofer than it did in the L7. It's an outstandingly capable driver.

You don't tell us where you are and there may be some of us with the ability to audition both of these side-by-side. I have two pair of L7s and one L150A. The difference between the L150 and the L150A is a bit more than trivial, but the part of the L150 that will make you love it has little to do with the tweeter. As you can see from my photo which shows how many 044 and 044ti my collection uses (and which may cause malden here to cringe once more) I am very fond of the 044 which has great range without the irritation some ascribe to the Titanium JBLs which came after. But that hasn't been the case with me and my L7, L5, L3, and L1 collection. They all provide a great value in sonic performance for the money they cost these days. I have an L7 and the L150A in the same workshop just not together in position or hooked to the same amps. But that wouldn't take much to accomplish.

But probably most important, if you have available L150 and L7 in similar condition for similar prices, the L150 is the better "deal" based on current resale value. I pad twice as much for my L150A as I did for either L7—but that was back when $200 bought me a pair of L7s (twice!).

My suggestion (always) is to buy both, listen with your own ears in your own room with your own equipment, and sell of the "loser" if that's how you feel after the auditions are over. Or keep both. The cost is really a drop in the bucket. Great choices. Good luck!

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Wow, what a couple of great responses. Chris your analysis, conclusions and advice was exactly what I was hoping to get, times 10!!

And BMWCCA your comments are the cherry on top. I printed your responses and put them in my JBL file for future reference.

Gentlemen, thank you both.

One quick question for BMWCCA, what are the large triangular shaped speakers in your picture? I’ve never seen them before. Look quite intriguing….

B Side oth speakers are priced around $1000. And your comment about buying them both and deciding what to keep is an interesting idea. Pretty much sounds like you can’t go wrong with either one. So I’m thinking at this point it’s time to go hear them, even though they are two different sellers so impossible to do it a A/B comparison.

thank you again, I will update once I make a decision
 
One quick question for BMWCCA, what are the large triangular shaped speakers in your picture? I’ve never seen them before. Look quite intriguing….

B Side oth speakers are priced around $1000. And your comment about buying them both and deciding what to keep is an interesting idea. Pretty much sounds like you can’t go wrong with either one. So I’m thinking at this point it’s time to go hear them, even though they are two different sellers so impossible to do it a A/B comparison.
The large guys are 250ti. They do make the L150A look small, don't they?

If the decision was to be made on price alone I have to say it pleases me that the L7 has finally made it up to that level. Honestly before all the attention paid to them in the long "90's L-series" thread on LH with T-dome and the designer Chris Hagen weighing in, the L7 would still be the $200 speaker it was for over a decade. The L150 and L150A generally maintain their price over the L7 in the used market today by a margin similar to the difference when each was new.

When the L7 first appears on the LH website price lists it is shown at $925 in 1992. The last year for the L150A was 1983 shown at $750 each. For comparison, the XPL200A in 1992 was listed as $1,699 and in 1983 the L250 listed for double the price of the L150A. An interesting comparison for inflation calculation is that the B460 subwoofer designed to go with the L250 was $1,250 in 1983 and and $2,150 in 1992. Using that to compare what the L150A would have cost in 1992 yields close to $1,300. That's roughly 1.4-times the price of the L7. A tribute to Chris Hagen's doing as much as he could with the L7 within the tight budget restrictions he was given. That should give you an idea of their position in the JBL hierarchy at the time.

While my price research may have taken this off-topic, it also turned up that those big triangular boxes the 250ti started at $1,690 in 1985 and in their last year listed (1993) they are shown at $2,499. And another tidbit (which likely means more to me than anyone else still reading by this time) is that the little Pro-II Plus which I have always called such a surprising performer and overachiever, listed for $659 in 1993! That's a $30 premium over the now-legendary L5. That helps to explain my enthusiasm for the first Pro-III Plus system I bought for $40 and why I bought the second one for $20. But they are a bitch to re-foam, so that respect will come at a cost to you.
 
I see the 250ti typically go for about $5K. I have the room for these, and a good buddy of mine is trying to get me to purchase his MC452, so I’d certainly have the power.

Are these the top-of-the-line in the JBL catalog, or close to it? While I’m not a rich man, if one of these were to come available in my area, I could comfortably afford them.

At the risk of asking another favor, how much better would the 250ti sound as compared to the L7/L150?

Maybe I just need to be patient and wait for the best to become available.

Thank you!!
 
Maybe I just need to be patient and wait for the best to become available.

If you're going to go down that rabbit-hole, then you might as well wait for a used JBL Everest to pop up for sale. In audio, there is always going to be something "better".

Vintage JBLs don't exactly grow on trees these days. Holding out for a specific pair is a great way to either end up with nothing, or get taken by a scalper/flipper. I've always maintained, in more recent years especially, that the best way to go when trying to find a great vintage JBL is to simply keep a close eye on your local market and then seize the day when something truly special pops up (while keeping an open mind and not necessarily hunting for any specific pair).

The L7 and L150 are both great speakers that are upgrades over your L166. Some people go years without locating choices as good as those, so you were already very lucky to find what you did. In addition, vintage JBLs retain their value very well, so if you eventually decide to move on to a different pair, you should not have any problem making your money back. Be weary of allowing good opportunities to pass by.
 
Great advice, Chris thank you. I’m going to listen to both the L7 and L150 and probably purchase one of those two next week.

I guess my quick question is and I’m certainly very well aware of the law of diminishing returns, but is the 250 ti significantly better SQ than the other two? Not five times better, whatever that means, but significantly better that would justify a significantly higher cost?

Strictly from an aesthetics perspective, I love the looks of the 250 ti, if it sounds as good as it looks, it might be something I put on the radar.

Sorry for the newbie questions….

Thank you!!
 
At the risk of asking another favor, how much better would the 250ti sound as compared to the L7/L150?

Maybe I just need to be patient and wait for the best to become available.
At the risk of boring those who already know—it all depends on which you listen to first!
It's not fair to listen to the 250ti and then switch to either the L7 or the L150A. But I do it all the time!

I was never a believer in the 14-inch drivers when they came out when I was a kid, because I was a 15-inch JBL snob. I thought my 030 systems with their D130 driver were the ultimate. They were not. I now own two pairs of JBLs with the LE14H-1 woofers, and I'm a convert. But I worked my way up and, as Chris touched on, start with any of those you've asked about so far and see what you think. When another good deal comes along, then try those, too. I started with those 030s when my Dad kicked his mono version to the curb to replace with a new stereo. I was 9-years old and they'd been in my house since I was 3-years-old. Almost 25-years later I bought my L112s. Around 2006 I purchased the L150A—but they had to sit in poor storage conditions until just this year before I got to hear them. In between, a pair of L5s became available in Boston and a helpful LH member bought them for me, stored them, and helped me load them in my car while I was dropping daughter #2 at college in NY. Then a pair of L7 turned up actually three-houses down my country road asking $900. I asked if I could just listen to them. They belonged to a Med student who was moving and he'd bought them from another Med student who was moving . . .

Long story short, he asked me for an offer and I bought them for $200. That was eye-opening. But I'd always wanted some JBL L300s and, during one of our Lansing Heritage Atlantic Coast listening parties, I heard "Fred Sanford's" 4333 and knew I needed some horns. Then another member was just "giving away" a pair of 4345 clones with cabinets from Kenrick Sound's USA cabinet maker and all new or refurbished components and custom charge-coupled crossovers. I drove to Connecticut 16-years ago this January in a driving snow storm—ostensibly taking my daughter to college in NY, again—and bought them, exchanging more money than I'd ever thought I'd spend on a pair of speakers. And believe me, the 18-inch woofer is a whole other story! Though the 14-incher is still impressive. So I actually own and can speak from experience about JBLs with woofers from less-than six-inches up to 18-inch.

Somehow I still love them all and find good things to say about most of them (let's not get me started on my original L100s). So far be it from me to talk you out of acquisitive auditioning. Buy 'em. Try 'em. Sell the ones you don't connect with—though I never have!

The 250ti is a real gem hooked to my Crown Studio Reference-II.

But these are in my living room to this day:

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The L7 is an extremely capable speaker no matter what kind of music you listen to, but if you're into rock and electronic music they're going to be tough to beat. I don't know what a pair of L150s are going for in your area but I gave 650 bucks for a near mint pair of L7s a year ago FYI. Don't be scared off of the L7s by the placement horror stories, because my left channel speaker is only a little over 2 feet from the side wall and they're a little over a foot from the back wall and they sound incredible. When I'm not listening I push them back against the wall out of the way. I'm no audiophile but I've owned some decent speakers and the L7s are easily the best I've owned, and they displaced my Allison Twos in my main system. Just my rambling. 02
 
One point I forgot to make is that the L7s sound significantly better when you take the front grilles off, so you might want to keep that in mind when you audition them.
 
One point I forgot to make is that the L7s sound significantly better when you take the front grilles off, so you might want to keep that in mind when you audition them.
I have argued against the supposed difficulty in positioning the L7s for over a decade. It's just not that big a deal. If you jam them right up against your Audio Shrine in your listening room and expect the side-firing woofers to sound their best, that might be an issue.

Can't say I've noticed any difference in front-grilles off or on. I do use Q-tips on a regular basis though—on my ears! :rflmao:

And I've ridden motorcycles for over 52-years but try diligently to remember my ear-plugs all the time. That seemingly has made up for playing in a band, and listening to live performances for over 50-years. I can't hear as high in the frequency range as I used to, but the grilles aren't going to help with that! Woodstock wasn't that loud since by the time the music restarted we were lucky to get within a quarter-mile of the stage!
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I have argued against the supposed difficulty in positioning the L7s for over a decade. It's just not that big a deal. If you jam them right up against your Audio Shrine in your listening room and expect the side-firing woofers to sound their best, that might be an issue.

Can't say I've noticed any difference in front-grilles off or on. I do use Q-tips on a regular basis though—on my ears! :rflmao:

And I've ridden motorcycles for over 52-years but try diligently to remember my ear-plugs all the time. That seemingly has made up for playing in a band, and listening to live performances for over 50-years. I can't hear as high in the frequency range as I used to, but the grilles aren't going to help with that! Woodstock wasn't that loud since by the time the music restarted we were lucky to get within a quarter-mile of the stage!
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It was your posts about the L7s not being as position sensitive that convinced me to go ahead and give them a try, so I should probably thank you!:rockon:
 
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