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Jensen Model 6 - Min Sound from Woofers (both)

raynmanwerks

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Greetings AK, I am troubleshooting a pair of woofers that are not performing - I hear sound but very low. Let me start with some background and current state and perhaps you most wise speaker experts can help me get to root cause.

Background:
A couple of years ago I had the opportunity to help out an old audiophile friend out who was in a jam by buying up a bunch of his gear, perhaps 50 pieces to include a number of speaker pairs. Among them were a pair of Jensen Model 6 4-ways in fantastic physical condition. The woofers and mids needed refoaming, but cones in grreat shape. So I wrapped them and placed them in storage. I recently pulled them, ordered foam surrounds, fixed them, conditioned the cases and only then, did I bring them into the listening room and fire them up (they are big and heavy). So I had never heard them until after I did the work on them.

Well, to my dismay, the woofers were not performing. With ear in the speaker I could hear sound albeit very low - this is the case for both woofers - and I may have heard some crackling (not steady, just a little crackling sound that came and went at least once).

Analysis
This seemed to be he case for both woofers. First thought - OK my son in lay who I tasked to put drivers back in cases hooked them up wrong. That wasn't the case - at least the cables are marked with red dots that match the red dot on the terminals so they are kind of idiot proof to reinstall.

I tried swapping pos and neg on one woofer, no change. I pulled out the woofer and checked for resistance on across the terminals and there was a decent resistance present. I have not tried a 9v test to see if the cone jumps..going to do that today.

I cant lay my hands on a schematic to help diagnose, not that I'm an expert or anything but I have suspicions and no good way of troubleshooting from here.

Could it be:
- A crossover problem - old or failing crossovers? but both speakers ?
- a wiring issue: could the wiring be incorrect from the crossover to each speaker? the mids and tweet seemed to be functioning OK on both speakers
- voice coils shot on both speaker wooofers?

I suppose I could find another woofer from a mancave speaker pair I have and test with another woofer to see if I get the low frequencies?

What should I do next to sort the root cause? here's where I could use some advice. I can post pics if that would be at all helpful.

thanks in advance for your feedback,
respectfully Ray
 
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What refoam procedure did you use? Two possible causes of the problem are bad centering of the woofer when you refoamed so that the voice coils are rubbing, or the magnets being loose and now trapping the voice coil. I assume you would have noticed either problem, but it's worth asking.
 
What refoam procedure did you use? Two possible causes of the problem are bad centering of the woofer when you refoamed so that the voice coils are rubbing, or the magnets being loose and now trapping the voice coil. I assume you would have noticed either problem, but it's worth asking.

Hello! thanks for your response. Well, having done a few foam replacements before without issue, I used a couple of youtube videos and the instructions that come with the foams. Gosh I hope the foam job was not source of issue..if it is the issue, what are my options? refoam again? how does one do that? these were centered before gluing but it could be that they are not absolutely perfect...Would a good process of elimination step to plug in a known good woofer to determine if crossovers are working properly? if he problem symptoms are the same with working woofer, then can one conclude that the crossovers are problematic and require rebuild?
If the problem does not happen with known good woofer then the conclusion must lie with the woofers themselves, either a poor foam job effecting voice coil or shot voicecoils?

it will not hurt a spare woofer to use it as a test component will it ?

thanks again for your expertise in this matter..
all the best, R
 
Sounds like you 'centered' them before gluing, was that using shims? If so that should not be the problem. I have refoamed many speakers and don't even use shims. Unless they are very tight tolerance drivers they should play fine.

What was the resistance reading? I assume 'decent' means near the expected range, 70% of nominal impedance (5-6 for 8 ohm woofers).

Usually all that lies between the + input and the woofer is an inductor, so measure from the + input to the end of the wire that goes to the woofer. You should get close to zero resistance.

If they were overdriven the inductors could have overheated, but usually the woofer voice coils will melt before that. Or there could be a cap across the woofer that has shorted or drifted way off spec.

It should not hurt to put in a different woofer especially if you can try to match the nominal impedance rating and don't crank it up very loud. But if there is seemingly nothing wrong with the woofers themselves I would be looking at the crossover and wiring first.
 
One simple test is to see if the cones are free to move. If they are, the magnets haven't shifted. That's good. Have you done the AA test - momentarily connect a double A battery (or triple A) across the woofer terminals. The woofer should jump. If it doesn't, there's the problem. You might have bad tinsels, or cold solder joints where the tinsel is soldered to the voice coil wires, which is usually at the cone. You can test for cold solder joints by cranking it up, or by tapping on the joints while playing at low volumes. Bad solder joints are often intermittent, and lots of power, or physical shock will get them conducting.
 
1. Use your multimeter to test your woofers again. Be sure to disconnect the woofers from the crossover before measuring. Set your meter to ohms (resistance) and connect to each of the speaker input posts. Then give us the actual readings of each woofer.

2. Use your thumbs to carefully move the cones in and out. Are they free with no scratching or rubbing?

3. Use the battery method (with the woofers disconnected from the crossover) to make sure that the cones react properly to electrical input. Just touch the connectors, then release.

4. Definitely use one of your spare woofers to test your speaker crossover function.

With this information in hand, we can begin to zoom in on your problem.

GeeDeeEmm

******I hope it doesn't look like I just latched onto the other's very good suggestions. What I wanted to present was just a step-by-step list of things to try. Sometimes it helps to summarize.

From the Interweb: Jensen Model Six:

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