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Jodorowsky's "Dune" (2013)

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I was looking at what what Dune movies are available, except for DVD's not much. I ran across Joborwsky's "Dune". This is the first time I have heard of Alejandro Jodorowsky. According to what I have been reading he was trying to interest the powers to be in his vision of a theatrical "Dune". Nobody was interested. Joborwsky's "Dune" is available both on Amazon Prime, and iTunes. The rating where mixed making me reluctant to spend the money, so I managed to view it elsewhere they where correct it is not worth the price, however Joborowsky's vision is fascinating he used the talents of Mœbius (Jean Giraud 1938-2013) for the story boards. I am a huge fan of Mœbius and what I see with his vision of dune is interesting. Having said this as a huge fan of Frank Herbert Mœbius' vision badly clashes with Frank's vision of the universe of the Landsraad, and I can understand why this movie was never produced. Sadly Jean Giraud died in 2013 but what I would envision for this version of Dune is a Japanese amine production in the spirit of Heavy Metal (1981) and the segment "Taarna" which was illustrated in the style of Mœbius. The artist Salvador Dali wanted to play the part of The Padishah Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV, can you imagine that?

Mœbius' vision of the characters of Frank Herbert's Dune.
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I have had a hard time ID the characters in the above illustration and I still don't have all of them:
Front left to right:
4th from the left to the rear: Duke Leto Atreides (looks like a Thunder Cat)
Center front: Baron Vladimir Harkonnen
Directly behind and to the right of the Baron: "The Beast" Rabban Harkonnen
Center Rear: The Padishah Emperor Shaddam Corrino IV
To the right front with the red cape: Suk Doctor Wellington Yueh,
 
Second from the left is definitely Jar Jar Binks ...

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I saw the documentary a couple years back and thought it was pretty decent. Never was a fan of the adulturdated pablum for the masses movie version of the book. I imagine Herbert was spinning in his grave on that one. Granted, it get's points for having the largest sandworms ...

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According to what I was reading Frank Herbert generally liked the 1984 movie version. I enjoyed it so long as I discounted the book completely. In the SciFi Dune 2000 They almost had the scene those of us into Dune had wanted to see. Princess Alia (of The Knife) Atreides at one point decided to practice hand to hand combat with combat robots. In the book she fought naked against machines set to kill. She was in full battle when her brother Paul walked in with his Henchmen Guerney Halleck. Paul threw his dagger across the room hitting the off button and shut off the combat robot leaving Alia panting in the middle of the floor. In the book Guerney Halleck made the dry comment we need to find her a husband. Granted such a scene could never make onto US TV but still.....

 
Dune has been chopped and sliced into numerous variations - but if you hunt the T networks,
there is a glorious restored edition that was a fan project known as the Alternate Edition Redux that is an amazing thing to behold.
I highly recommend you find/borrow/steal a copy of this to see the best of 3 worlds ...

Anyway, here are the Release Notes I found about it ...

***DUNE (1984) THE ALTERNATIVE EDITION REDUX - Notes by Spicediver***

FANEDIT RELEASED: July 2012
RUNNING TIME: 178 minutes
AVAILABILITY: AVI, MP4, DVD-9 (double layer)
SUBTITLES: English & Spanish available at Subscene.com
MORE INFO: Fanedit.org + Digital-Fandits.com

DISCLAIMER

Fanedits are not for sale and provided under fair-use provisions for the sole purpose of discussion, exposition and education. Please support the artists and buy the original DVDs.

ABOUT THIS FANEDIT

A film that ís been admired, hated and puzzled-over in fairly equal amounts, writer/director David Lynchís ambitious 1984 adaptation of Frank Herbertís science fiction novel gets an extensive fanediting treatment in Dune The Alternative Edition Redux. This is my third and final cut of an edit I first released in 2008 and again in 2009. As previously, it draws on the heavily cut Theatrical Version, the controversial Extended ìTVî Version and a selection of Deleted Scenes and soundtrack cues.

The Redux cut is, firstly, an opportunity for me to apply the additional skills Iíve learnt since this faneditís original release. Technical improvements include cleaning up dirty footage and completing the blue eyes FX, while creative changes include two new ìfilmbooksî, a new 4-part structure to the film, and a new ending thatís truer to the remarkable world that Frank Herbert created.

Secondly, Redux has allowed me to respond to some of the criticisms made by fans over the years and make further changes that I think improve the storytelling and presentation. The restoration of Princess Irulan as the filmís narrator is one such example.

For me itís been a long, exciting and sometimes exhausting journey. Iíd particularly like to thank two fanediting communities: Fanedit.org and Digital-Fanedits.com. Without these avenues to promote my work and without the generous input and feedback of enthusiastic members, the Dune movie as I have moulded it simply wouldnít exist.

David Lynch himself refuses to revisit the film, despite admitting that ìthereís something wrong with that movieî and complaining that he never had final cut. So itís left to us fans to tinker and reshape this curious piece of sc-fi cinema; trying to minimise its many flaws, amplify its many strengths and - in my case - trying to add something new as well.

I hope you enjoy the trip.

Spicediver, July 2012


***THE CHANGELIST***

Following is a comprehensive list of changes based on the two officially released versions of DUNE ñ the Theatrical Edition and the Extended Edition.

ADDITIONS

* Most scenes and footage unique to the Extended Edition have been used.

* The following Deleted Scenes from the DVD extras have been included:
- The Fremen Reverend Motherís original opening to the film
- An extension of Fremen housekeeper Mapes testing Jessica
- Thufir and Leto discussing the Fremenís prophecy about Paul
- An extension of Paulís talk with Jessica after his waking dream
- The aftermath of Paul defeating Jamis in the knife fight
- The Fremen priest telling Paul he may be the fulfilment of their prophecy
- A shot of Jessica in labour with Alia
- A closeup shot of Fremen warriors shouting ìlong live the fighters!î
- Thufir Howatís redemption and death
- Paul taking Princess Irulan as his wife.

* The film has been divided into four ìBooksî, each with a title frame preceded by a quote from various Dune novels. The original novel by Frank Herbert was divided into 3 books. This fanedit includes these and adds a 4th book to accommodate the structure of the film. The titles are: Book I: The Great Houses; Book II: Dune; Book III: Muad'dib; Book IV: The Prophet.

* Two new filmbooks have been created about the history of the universe, and are seen being read by Paul Atreides during the film. They have been built with material from the Extended Edition's prologue and are designed to match the look and feel of the existing filmbook that appears early in the movie.

ALTERATIONS

* Some scenes from both the Theatrical and Extended Editions have been moved around and relocated to improve the narrative, including changes to accommodate the faneditís new 4-part structure.

* A new opening features Princess Irulanís narration, a Fremen ceremony and customised Dune Titles. The Fremen ceremony audio now has the intended reverb added, and the chanted answers to the Reverend Mother are now the sound of a whole crowd responding instead of a single placemarker voice.

* A new, simpler ending has been created, modelled on an earlier draft script, where Paul does not magically make rain fall on Arrakis. The idea of rain on Arrakis is a narrative and ecological absurdity in the world that Frank Herbert created.

* Princess Irulan is the narrator. The Alternative Edition Redux uses most elements of her narration from the Theatrical Edition, plus selected audio edits from her Deleted Scene.

* The male narrator including the painted prologue from the Extended Edition has been deleted, but parts of it have been reworked into two new filmbooks about the history of the universe, read by Paul Atreides during the film.

* The overuse and/or inappropriate choice of music in some scenes from the Extended Edition has been addressed.

* The attack on House Atreides by the Harkonnen and the Emperor's forces is confusingly shot and edited in places. This has now been re-edited and some shots flipped around, to a give better sense of direction and a better sense of the ebb and flow of battle.

* Because the Fremen Reverend Mother's prophecy now opens the film, it's appearance in the official versions of the Dune - when House Atreides lands on Arrakis - now seems like an exact repeat of an earlier shot. So the Trip To Arrakis sequence has now been remixed so that only desert landscapes are used for the visuals, while the prophecy is still heard on the soundtrack.

* The Deleted Scene where Thufir speaks to Leto about the Fremen prophecy now opens with an atmospheric long shot of Arakeen and the castle keep. This shot has been changed to make it set at dusk and the 2nd moon rising over the shield wall has been added.

* An new closeup of Princess Irulan - and some altered footage - has been included in the scene where Paul surveys the prisoners after his defeat of the Emperor.

DELETIONS

* Approximately 60% of internal dialogue has been removed from the audio track and, where necessary, the video has been recut. I believe it was a colossal mistake by Lynch to adapt this narrative device so literally from Frank Herbertís novel. In the translation from book to film many viewers find a good deal of it irritating and unnecessary. It often spoonfeeds obvious information to the audience and can pull the viewer out of the scene rather than drawing them in. Essential elements like The Litany Against Fear have been left intact.

* Deleted the incongruous St Francis Prayer section from Princess Irulanís final narration, in order to move the story away from a simplistic and forced happy ending: ìWhere there was war, Muadídib would bring peace; where there was hatred Muadídib would bring love.î Dune is not Disney, despite producer Dino De Laurentiis' apparent attempts to make it so.

* Reduced Paulís awkward forced laughter in two shots to a more believable smile.

* Deleted some cheesy closeups of the actors when riding the sandworms.

* Deleted Chaniís cheesy line when Paul wakes from a dream: ìYou were calling my name. It frightened me.î

* Deleted Beast Rabbanís diabolical laughter when the Baron hands him charge of Arrakis. Also deleted the shot of him kicking over the dwarf. These villains are already cartoonish enough.

* Deleted or fixed some bad rear projection FX shots during Paul and Jessicaís pursuit by the sandworm. This action scene as also been tightened to increase the sense of danger.

* The climax of Paul and Feydís knife fight has been tightened to make it more tense and more plausible.

TECHNICAL FIXES

* Completed the blue spice eyes FX on human characters where this effect was missing in the Extended Edition and in some Deleted Scenes.

* Also added blue spice eyes FX to the 3rd stage Guild navigators in two scenes, in line with the description of the navigators in Frank Herbert's books.

* Colour-corrected all footage unique to the Extended Edition to remove a pronounced green tint.

* Fixed the filmbook read by Paul in the opening scene on Caladan because many images are stretched out in the wrong aspect ratio. These shots have now been corrected and the images rebuilt.

* Fixed the infamous editing mistakes, bad audio joins and censorship in scenes that were used from the Extended Edition.

* Digitally cleaned and restored the lower resolution Deleted Scenes to improve the image quality. Also cleaned up audio where possible.

* The Extended Edition DVD print is slightly crisper and generally in better shape than the Theatrical DVD print. So where Theatrical Edition footage was needed or preferred, footage from the French Bluray was used (scaled down to Standard Definition) due to the cleaner print.

* The audio track from the Theatrical Edition is used wherever possible due to its superior quality and mix.


-END-
 
I want it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew the original had been butchered. Did they do anything with the ridiculous scene where "Sting"
struts out of the steamer wearing a grill for a 1939 Mercury.
 
I saw at least part of Joborwsky's "Dune". It was a library check out and for the life of me I can't remember if I saw the whole thing.

I saw the '84 Dune when it came out. I enjoyed it but I had just read the book which I think helped. The movie was too abridged for most movie goers to follow. I seem to remember they handed out a glossary of Dune terminology or something. Like that's going to help in a dark theater. :rolleyes:
 
This is the very same problem the movie "John Carter" had. I have all of the Edgar Rice Burroughs' "Barsoom" series in first edition copies. We few who love these books understood what was going on completely Most people where clueless Granted the movie had real problems. In the books not a lot of clothing was worn, in fact when John Carter mysteriously arrived on Mars he was naked. Even when he became a Jebak he wore what amounted to a Speedo and crossed sword belts. This is not voyeurism just once I would like to see the vision of the author reach the screen.
 
I have Spicediver's final edit of Dune 1984, since it is a fan-edit not for sale I had no problem bit-torrenting the download. Now having watched it, it is a great improvement over the original release, as well as the lame extended version with narrated story boards at the beginning. Dune 2000, and Children of Dune 2003 are still much better.
 
In that strange anime storyboard thing up top, the only one I'd have gotten was Baron Harkonnen, and that entirely because of his girth.

I've read the book, and at least Children Of Dune, can't say I loved the movies. I sort of remember trying to get through one other, but it drug too much and I gave up reading. I've seen the 1984 movie, and I sort of remember watching the SciFi one. The 2000 edition was closer to the book, but still a bit meh. Fantasy stuff is hard to put on the screen without deep pockets it seems. Anything less than a major production budget tends to just look cheesy and silly, and without extremely good screenwriting it doesn't carry the story at all.
 
It should be fascinating to see what SyFy does with The Expanse universe. I've read the books, and the story line is, mildly put, quite complex. I'd expect the show to draw a lot of us old B5 fans out of the woodwork, as that had a similarly convoluted set of interlocking plots. Still can't help but think that the average viewer will be left with a bunch of questions, no matter how well they script it. Join the crowd there, as Corey is only halfway through writing the series ... I'm sure even HE has questions. <G>
 
It should be fascinating to see what SyFy does with The Expanse universe. I've read the books, and the story line is, mildly put, quite complex. I'd expect the show to draw a lot of us old B5 fans out of the woodwork, as that had a similarly convoluted set of interlocking plots. Still can't help but think that the average viewer will be left with a bunch of questions, no matter how well they script it. Join the crowd there, as Corey is only halfway through writing the series ... I'm sure even HE has questions. <G>

"James SA Corey" is actually the pen name of two collaborative authors - who happen to be the producers of the TV series. Based on the first episode, which SyFy released on their web page last week, I'm not worried - at all. I am quite curious about Avrisavala's story arc in the first season, since she wasn't introduced until the second book.
 
In that strange anime storyboard thing up top, the only one I'd have gotten was Baron Harkonnen, and that entirely because of his girth.

I've read the book, and at least Children Of Dune, can't say I loved the movies. I sort of remember trying to get through one other, but it drug too much and I gave up reading. I've seen the 1984 movie, and I sort of remember watching the SciFi one. The 2000 edition was closer to the book, but still a bit meh. Fantasy stuff is hard to put on thescreen without deep pockets it seems. Anything less than a major production budget tends to just look cheesy and silly, and without extremely good screenwriting it doesn't
carry the story at all.

I have read all of the Dune books both the books of Frank and Brian Herbert's. The one thing they got right in the Dune 2000 was the The Fremen which Frank Herbert based in part on the desert-dwelling Bedouin and Tuaregs of North Africa. Brian Herbert had a hand in this.

Such a production of Dune could be done. Look at the "Ring" movies of J. R.R. Tolkien. They where pretty good. The problem is SciFi is notorious for not making money.
 
Not saying it can't be done, but consider the budget involved with the LOTR trilogy vs what SyFy (or whatever they call themselves now) can budget for such a production. I think the last thing on that network that I really liked was Stargate: Universe. Shame they canned it just when it was really starting to become coherent and good.
 
Not saying it can't be done, but consider the budget involved with the LOTR trilogy vs what SyFy (or whatever they call themselves now) can budget for such a production. I think the last thing on that network that I really liked was Stargate: Universe. Shame they canned it just when it was really starting to become coherent and good.
Absolutely! SG:Universe had real potential -
but frankly, I am afraid of getting hooked on anything on FryFy network - (or is it Skifi?)
they have a way of cheapening anything they touch ...
and I'm not sure they know how to handle ScienceFiction well ...

But this does sound like it has some potential ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(TV_series)

Its got to be better than what Fox has done to their last 2 ScienceFiction shows ...
(Almost Human coulda been good if run in sequence - Minority Report is unplugged already & waiting to die)

And CBS - with Limitless, has taken that show into "meta" land
and uses it as an excuse to poke fun at all kinds of stuff ...
Even a Ferris Bueller homage!
 
Absolutely! SG:Universe had real potential -
but frankly, I am afraid of getting hooked on anything on FryFy network - (or is it Skifi?)
they have a way of cheapening anything they touch ...
and I'm not sure they know how to handle ScienceFiction well ...

But this does sound like it has some potential ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(TV_series)

Battlestar Galactica was brilliant, and The Expanse is being produced by the authors. The first episode is available on SyFy's website.
 
Couple things that may have been true once, but now, not so much. SciFi has seen a real resurgence since Avatar and now accounts for a good chunk of movie proceeds. SyFy itself has some serious clout with the NBC juggernaut running the show.

As far as Dune remakes go ... I understand Paramount had high hopes for releasing a new version a couple years back, but never quite got it off the ground. They DID however just about finalize a working script that managed to make the entire Dune Universe fit into standard movie length, with a few hooks left over for sequels. Pierre Morel (District 13 and Taken) was heavily involved.

Paramount still own the rights to that last I heard, and would be willing to let it go to the right buyer at the right price. Maybe we can take up a collection ... <G>
 
Battlestar Galactica was brilliant


I did enjoy that quite a bit, but the last season it got heavily religious which I thought was weird.


Not familiar at all with The Expanse, but it sounds interesting based on the plot summary. Might have to pick up those books. I've run out of stuff to read just recently.
 
Couple things that may have been true once, but now, not so much. SciFi has seen a real resurgence since Avatar and now accounts for a good chunk of movie proceeds. SyFy itself has some serious clout with the NBC juggernaut running the show.

As far as Dune remakes go ... I understand Paramount had high hopes for releasing a new version a couple years back, but never quite got it off the ground. They DID however just about finalize a working script that managed to make the entire Dune Universe fit into standard movie length, with a few hooks left over for sequels. Pierre Morel (District 13 and Taken) was heavily involved.

Paramount still own the rights to that last I heard, and would be willing to let it go to the right buyer at the right price. Maybe we can take up a collection ... <G>

Please stop conflating SyFy channel with Science Fiction -
I have been a fan of Science Fiction since the 60s - and I had real high hopes for the SciFi channel -
but they themselves renamed it SyFY so it could be copyright and NOT confused with Science Fiction.
Besides, don't they still run Wrestling (WWF or whatever they call it these days) some nights?

Battlestar remake was not bad - Caprica didn't make it ...
And that bad miniseries with the generation ship was just pitiful.
 
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