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KEF 103.2 crossover upgrades

In addition to the above a questions, I had a couple of further questions about issues with the work on the 103.2's. I bought these second hand recently, and they were generally in good shape. In taking them apart for work on the crossovers, I came across a couple of issues. First is the grommets that hold the woofers in place - a little rubber donut with a metal tube inside. Has anyone come up with a suitable replacement for these? All six of mine between the two speakers are in some form of deterioration.

My second question is on the tweeter wiring. Both tweeters were connected to the crossover with a crimp-cap splice in the wiring. I am assuming this means the wiring has been worked on in some fashion? My guess is that the tweeters were replaced at some point, as the ground wire on both tweeters is black, while the wire on the other side of the splice, leading to the crossovers is brown. I havent pulled the tweeters from the cabinet, but the appear correct from the front based on many pics I have seen of these speakers.
 
Hello Lee, I’m a new guy in need of x-over work for my 103.2 KEF’s. I sent you a PM, so please let me know if you’re still doing these. Thanks!!
 
I thought it was time I did a write-up on my KEF 103.2 crossover upgrades. I think I'm on my third or forth one now. You can still buy the original Alcap capacitors from Falcon in the UK, but in my opinion it's not the best and/or only route to take.

Here is a picture of the stock crossover board. The relay (blue rectangle at the top in the middle) and the components to the right are for the S-STOP protection circuit. Lots of Alcap brand non-polarized electrolytics on the board, and all iron cored inductors. Those weird looking red things are merely encapsulated circuit boards for the protection circuitry.

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This shows a close-up of the underside of the board, and where a lot of problems start with these speakers. The capactitors for the protection circuit leak, and corrode the PCB tracks underneath. I have actually seen crossovers where the tracks are totally rotten through, causing the woofer to appear dead.

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Not only this, but look at the path the signals have to take. The "postive signal" (well, not really, because it's AC) has to go through a long track at the top of the board to the two 300uF caps. If this isn't bad enough, look at the path the "negative" signals have to take for the tweeter, all the way around the outisde of the board, just so it can pick up on the protection relay on the way. Note also that the tweeter is wired out-of-phase, as is the case with a lot of 12dB and higher crossover designs. The woofer "negative" signal doesn't go so far, but still has to go along a thin copper track, right by an area prone to corrosion by leaking capacitors.

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Here is the board after I recapped it, I used film caps from Erse Audio, plus a couple of their non-polarized electrolytics. There is no real reason for using the Pulse-X (black) caps instead of the MET (yellow) ones, it just depends on what they had in stock. For the two 300uF caps right at the input of the crossover, I used two electrolytics with a 10uF film cap bypassing them.

I also re-routed some of the wiring. Instead of using the long track at the top to feed the two 300uF caps, I drilled the PCB and ran my input wire right here. I also drilled the board close to where the tweeter positive connection is (remember, tweeter is out-of-phase) and attached my input wire here, rather than go right around the board. Not immediately obvious from the picture, but I also ran a black jumper wire from this negative input to the negative woofer terminal, so the signal doesn't have to go through the copper trace.

Keen eyed viewers will notice this isn't the same board as in the first picture, but that's just how things turned out, I forgot to take pictures. You may also notice I removed the protection circuit at the request of the customer. All you have to do is remove all the protection components, and jump across the relay poles with a short piece of wire.

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Here is another pair I did, the picture below shows the stock board.

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Once again, extensive corrosion of the PCB tracks by leaking protection circuit capacitors (circled in yellow). In this case, the owner reported that the woofer stopped working completely.

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Here is the completed crossover. As I said before, there is no real reason for using Pulse-X capacitors, this time Erse had all the values I needed in stock in the MET line of caps. Careful use of hot melt glue keeps everything together. I replaced the leaking caps on the protection circuitry with Nichicon FW series, just because that was what I had in stock at the time. You can see the black jumper wire more clearly for the woofer in this picture.

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The underside of the board. I made good the broken PCB tracks using the lead-out wires from the protection circuit caps. You can see the link wire for the woofer negative, I also soldered the woofer positive directly to the back of the board.

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Lee.

hi Lee, how can i contact you? i have a pair of 103.2's that need a recap, thanks
 
Hi everyone.

New to the forum, but pioneered cellular back in ‘83, so I’m not a newbie to electronics. As a newcomer to KEF speakers and 103/2s in particular, I have read about crossover recaps with much interest. I just ordered a recap kit, but must tell you that the solution to my problems (dead woofer) had nothing to do with recapping, but had everything to do with circuit board runs that were completely eaten away by the two 100uF caps in the protection circuitry (SP2011A). Once connectivity was restored, sound was too.

FYI - most of the original caps were retained, as they remained closer in tolerance to those caps supplied by those “Brit-kits”. Don’t waste your money like I did. Measure your caps first to determine if they need to be replaced!

Lastly, I found it very odd that the replacement kit did not even contain the caps that are most prone to leaking. Lesson learned.
 
Hi Art. Welcome to AK and thanks for resurrecting this thread. I have a minty pair and beat up pair of 103.2's and never knew there could be crossover cap issues. Neither pair has any issues but I will certainly open them up for an inspection and keep this thread bookmarked. Art you should wander over to the New Members forum and introduce yourself. It sounds like you have an interesting background.
 
Hey Artlane,

It sounds like you have encountered a common problem with these crossovers, namely the fact that the protection circuit caps leak, and corrode away the tracks, resulting in no sound from the woofer.

As for the original caps versus the new ones from Falcon. We pretty much know the ones in the speakers are 20+ years old, even if they measure good, how much longer will they continue to do so. Personally, I am of the opinion that the sound of these speakers can be improved by replacing the caps with film and electrolytic caps from other sources (Erse Audio is who I use). I don't think the Falcon kits include the protection circuit caps, these are just general purpose 47uF and 100uF polarized electrolytic caps.

Answering the question you posted on my profile, you can disable the protection circuitry by removing the relay and jumping across the contacts with a short length of wire. You can also remove the two thick film modules, and the leaky old caps, and there are probably some resistors too. Check back at my pictures in this thread, things should become clear. One advantage of removing the protection circuit is that you can run the tweeters without going through the 300uF caps for the woofers.

Lee.
 
Hi Art. Welcome to AK and thanks for resurrecting this thread. I have a minty pair and beat up pair of 103.2's and never knew there could be crossover cap issues. Neither pair has any issues but I will certainly open them up for an inspection and keep this thread bookmarked. Art you should wander over to the New Members forum and introduce yourself. It sounds like you have an interesting background.

Tom - Warning! You'll find gaining access to the crossover and removing the circuit board to be quite a challenge. The board is mounted to the bottom of the enclosure with a nut in the center of the board. Once you remove the nut, be extremely careful in wiggling/rotating/prying up of the board. KEF used double sided tape under the boards corners, which I understand is of a MIL spec. It takes a while to loosen the board -- be very patient. And be very careful when adding jumpers/wires to fix any board issues. I temporarily used a small alligator clip as a heat shunt to prevent the tacked end from coming loose when going after the opposite end. 25W iron worked best.
 
Hey Artlane,

It sounds like you have encountered a common problem with these crossovers, namely the fact that the protection circuit caps leak, and corrode away the tracks, resulting in no sound from the woofer.

As for the original caps versus the new ones from Falcon. We pretty much know the ones in the speakers are 20+ years old, even if they measure good, how much longer will they continue to do so. Personally, I am of the opinion that the sound of these speakers can be improved by replacing the caps with film and electrolytic caps from other sources (Erse Audio is who I use). I don't think the Falcon kits include the protection circuit caps, these are just general purpose 47uF and 100uF polarized electrolytic caps.

Answering the question you posted on my profile, you can disable the protection circuitry by removing the relay and jumping across the contacts with a short length of wire. You can also remove the two thick film modules, and the leaky old caps, and there are probably some resistors too. Check back at my pictures in this thread, things should become clear. One advantage of removing the protection circuit is that you can run the tweeters without going through the 300uF caps for the woofers.

Lee.

Lee - Thanks for the tip re: Erse. This is a selfish question: could you send me the part numbers for the caps you purchase from Erse? I ask this because it will save me LOTS of time researching. And you are correct regarding the the turnkey kits not including the protection caps. And thanks for the tip on removing the protection circuit. I've retained it for now. Best - Art
 
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Does anyone know how the B200G woofer compares to the B200 SP1039 used in the 104ab?
Lee? Anyone?
 
Does anyone know how the B200G woofer compares to the B200 SP1039 used in the 104ab?
Lee? Anyone?

I used to have the data sheets for those woofers. I'll have to check on an old backup drive and see if I still have them.

The SP1039 has a big magnet for just an 8" driver, I think it also used a shorter voice coil to give it a longer throw. You can see a picture of it on my 104aB restoration thread.

Lee.
 
@leesonic where in SNJ are you? I'm 08062. Anyway, I have some KEF c75's that I might want to recap, but I've never done crossovers on KEFs. Would you possibly be interested? I'll PM you.
 
Was able to recap my 103.2s with the advice here. My pre-1983 SP1144 crossover board is much different than the SP2011 described above. First, it is mounted at each of the 4 corners with a screw that is mounted on the bottom of the cabinet. Very easy to remove 4 nuts with no glue or tape. Second, it is much larger and doesn't seem prone to the protection cap leakage problem as mine had none and only one lytic 47 uF cap in the circuit. This board has 4-150 uFs instead of 2-300 uFs. All of the 150uFs measured good but all of the smaller values were 50-100% high. Sound was muddled with terrible highs before. After recap boy can these things sing! Very detailed with precise placement of all the individual instruments. Very airy with strong bass and just a very easy speaker to listen to. Likes lots of power but sounds great at low volume too.

Not sure what my speaker serial numbers are as both tags are missing. The serial #s of my SP1144 crossover boards are 001715 and 001716. I used Erse Audio Pulse-X caps and their regular non-polarized electrolytics for the 150uFs.

Cap values:
4 - 150uF 100V 6% DF Erse non-polarized electrolytics
2 - 10uF 250V Erse Pulse-X
1 - 2.2uF 250V Erse Pulse-X
1 - 4.3uF 250V Erse Pulse-X
1 - 6.8uF 250V Erse Pulse-X

Photo of SP1144 before:

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Photo of SP1144 after:

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Mounting inside speaker:

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Pics of my speakers:

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Very nice job! Where did you get your parts?

Thanks alot! I took my time and used lots of flux and desolder braid. Got the caps directly from Erse Audio site below. All were in-stock and received order in under a week. I made a large order to save on shipping.

http://www.erseaudio.com/Products/Capacitors

I also ordered new rubber grommets for the woofers from Midwest Speakers. Will report back after they arrive and are installed.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rubber-Grommets-for-KEF-Woofers-Model-103-2-Speakers-6-pack/152605009838?
 
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@rossmer

Thanks for the timely info! I just opened up my set of KEF 103.2s to recap and refinish the cabinets. I found very little info on the SP1144 "Protection Circuit/Dividing Network". Mine look very close to yours with a couple small differences. Mine have covers on what I'm guessing are the protection relays but none over the bits nearby like the black cover on yours. The identification sticker that's on the black cover on yours is stuck to the bottom of the board on mine. I also see that there is a reference to "SP1143" on the side of the black cover. Mine have no such reference but both SP1143 and SP1144 (along with SP2011) are referenced here on the KEF U.S. site. I'm wondering if you have a pic that shows the rest of the "SP1143" sticker on the side of the black cover. If so, please post.

All capacitor values are the same but it appears you used a 6.8uF in place of the original 7uF and a 4.3uF in place if the original 4.2uF? My boards show no sign of leakage or corrosion either. My SP1144 serial numbers are 007885 and 007886. The speaker serial numbers are 5049A and 5049B. The date stamp inside the cabinet indicates November 1981 build date.

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I'm very interested to hear these after recapping because I think they sound pretty good with the original caps.

Thanks again and I'll follow up with my results.

Joe
 
@Joe Nardy

Yes I used the closest values available since these were originally 10% caps. All the <10uF caps measured 50-100% high on most of mine. The difference was night and day for me, the highs really sparkled after recap. I did one speaker first and A/B'd them to hear the difference. I will get a pic of the side with SP1143 next time I'm in there. Funny thing I never thought to pop the top and look under it as I see there are likely two more protection caps under there. I must've missed the date stamp in the speaker, where did you find that?
 
@Joe Nardy

Yes I used the closest values available since these were originally 10% caps. All the <10uF caps measured 50-100% high on most of mine. The difference was night and day for me, the highs really sparkled after recap. I did one speaker first and A/B'd them to hear the difference. I will get a pic of the side with SP1143 next time I'm in there. Funny thing I never thought to pop the top and look under it as I see there are likely two more protection caps under there. I must've missed the date stamp in the speaker, where did you find that?

I'll check and post values when I swap the caps. No need to open the speakers up just to get a pic of the SP1143 label, I'm just curious to see what else the label says since my crossovers don't have that label. The date stamps on mine are on the inside bottom of the cabinets. They're light and not very legible. I can't make out the date on either cabinet but the month and year (November 1981) are fairly legible. Here's a pic:

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Thanks,
Joe
 
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