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kef 104ab paired with jvc rs33 receiver?

irbaboon

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Hi to all the vintage experts,
hope someone could help me with this heavy dilemma..(,

I really love my kef 104ab and i wonder if the jvc rs33 is a good pairing for them?
The jvc is with me for few years naw, with different sets of speakers yet its the first time that i paired it with a real good set of speakers like the kef's.

well it sounds great! but i have developed an appetite..

I'm thinking to replace the jvc for a better vintage solid state receiver.
does it worth the fass? would it sound better?
which reciver would you recomend to pair the kef 104ab with?

thanks
 
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There are "better" receivers than your JVC, but probably not so much better that it would make a big difference.

However, your speakers have a quite low sensitivity; in other words, they need more power to achieve the same loudness as compared to speakers with higher sensitivity. This means that you will run out of power more quickly, if/when you want to be able to play them loud, at least on occasion.

You are unlikely to ever push more than 40 watts (the JVC's rated output into an 8 ohm load) into your KEF speakers on a sustained basis, but at higher volumes and/or in a larger room, you may not have enough power to deliver transient peaks in the music. When this happens, the amplifier clips (distorts) the signal. A little clipping is usually no big deal, but any more than that and the distortion will become noticeable. On a related note, a heavily clipping amp can, somewhat paradoxically, deliver more power to the tweeters and midrange drivers than they are designed to handle. Also, significant clipping can trigger some amplifiers to oscillate, which in turn can cause damage to the amp and, potentially, the speakers.

Peaks in a good recording can be 12-15 decibels louder than the average volume level, or even more. A 12dB peak demands 16 times more power, and a 15dB peak demands 32 times more power! So, for example, if your JVC is running at a steady 2 watts - which would give you around 80dB of loudness at a listening distance of 10-12 feet on a continuous basis - a 15dB peak would demand 64 watts...and would result in a bit of clipping distortion. BTW, 80dB is what I would consider only a bit above a moderate volume level.

Bottom line, you seem to like how your JVC sounds with your KEF speakers. As long as you aren't trying to play them LOUD, and/or if your listening distance is closer and/or your room is relatively small, 40 watts may well be just fine. As a point of comparison, I have a set of speakers with the same sensitivity as your KEFs, and I run them with a 170 watt amp. That probably seems like a huge difference, but in reality only provides 6dB of headroom vs your JVC.

If you do think about moving to an amp with more power, I would recommend at least doubling what you've got. Doubling the power provides only 3dB of additional loudness (or headroom for transients). 3dB is not a big change; it is defined as the smallest change as to be easily apparent to a person with average hearing.

Another reason to consider a different amplifier, in addition to available power, is sound quality. Generally, higher end integrated amps and separates (separate preamp and power amp) offer better sound quality than receivers. However, especially in the world of vintage gear, integrated amps may be pretty much identical in design and sound quality to their receiver siblings (other than not having a tuner built-in). Also, note that not all "separates" are better than all receivers.

If you go down this path, I would urge you to limit your consideration to amplifiers rated to handle 4 ohm loads. Your KEF's are a very easy load to drive; they don't drop much below 6 ohms at any point in their frequency range. But you may well end up with more difficult-to-drive speakers in the future. For example, many modern bookshelf speakers are rated at 4 ohms, and drop well below that at various frequencies. It can be difficult to determine an amplifier's abilities into a low impedance load, but one good clue can be the difference between its 8 ohm and 4 ohm power ratings. Look for a 4 ohm rating that's at least 140% of its 8-ohm rating...more is better.

The last thing I would mention is that the crossover capacitors used in your KEF speakers were not as high of a quality as used in KEF's upper tier speakers. This, plus the facts that electrolytic capacitors degrade with age and your speakers are getting close to 45 years old, might make replacing them (the capacitors) a good idea. This has the potential of providing a fairly significant improvement in sound quality, and would be a more economical first step vs stepping up to a higher quality, higher-power amplifier.

EDIT: I noticed that you posted the same thread in two different forums. This is against the rules here. You can use the "REPORT" button at the lower left of your post to request a moderator to delete one of them. I would suggest deleting the one in the "Member Systems" forum.
 
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Thanks a lot for all the info spark1

mmm I'm living in a solar powered house so doubling the watts on my amp for a tiny 3db dosen't seems to be worth it.

i think maybe recapping could be the roade to take..

Just to see if i understand right, do you think that a sansui receiver like the 4000 for example, (that has a warmer sound they say) would not have a significant impact?


thanks again
 
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Thanks a lot for all the info spark1

mmm I'm living in a solar powered house so doubling the watts on my amp for a tiny 3db dosen't seems to be worth it.

i think maybe recapping could be the roade to take..

Just to see if i understand right, do you think that a sansui receiver like the 4000 for example, (that has a warmer sound they say) would not have a significant impact?


**my mistake with the double posting, i asked to delete the thread on the "members systems"
as suggested..

thanks again
The 4000 is a capacitor-coupled amplifier, so will sound warmer/woolier than a direct coupled amp.

Speakers add enough coloration/distortion as it is. I would advise going with the most neutral/accurate amplification you can find. Use your speakers to obtain the sound you want.

I would have thought those KEFs were warm-sounding enough, without further exaggerating that characteristic via your choice of amplifier. But of course preferences vary.
 
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well i guess ill have to try few amps to see what i like.
though warm receiver and warm speakers may equal hot..
does anyone has experience with this combo of 104ab and the sansui 4000? or the 104ab and the jvc rs33?
 
i have to admit a blind spot;
the sours is a super important factor.
..
well my jvc rs33 receiver and the kef 104ab are great combination. my problems came from lack of a good DAC. i was streaming tidal hifi out of my samsung s10e phone jack.
the soundstage was flat and compress.
i had a realization aftet streaming the same tidal hifi from my pc using behringer umc204 as a DAC!

Wow that sounds much better!

maybe someone would benefit from it..
 
i have to admit a blind spot;
the sours is a super important factor.
..
well my jvc rs33 receiver and the kef 104ab are great combination. my problems came from lack of a good DAC. i was streaming tidal hifi out of my samsung s10e phone jack.
the soundstage was flat and compress.
i had a realization aftet streaming the same tidal hifi from my pc using behringer umc204 as a DAC!

Wow that sounds much better!

maybe someone would benefit from it..

You said in your first post that the system sounded great.
 
true.
i felt something could be better but was blind to my sours quality level, unfairly suspicious of my amp.
 
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