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tlann

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For the last three years I’ve been on the hunt for some Klipsch Heresys at a reasonable price point ($550 or below), and though I’ve come across a few possibilities, it has never panned out — someone always makes their way to the deal before I’m out of work or something like that. Pretty frustrating, actually.

At the beginning of the summer, though, I picked up some Klipsch KG4s. I’ve wanted horn speakers to pair with my Dynaco SCA-35, which has the Dave Gillespie EFB mod and sounds great. Before the KG4s, I ran it with JBL L26s in beautiful condition and always liked the sound, but of course was left wondering what some extra efficiency and clarity might bring to the system. A friend lent me some Heresy 1s for a week, and I really liked the sound.

Anyway, I have been listening to the KG4s for about 5 months now. It took a while to get used to them. The clarity is amazing and the midrange is pretty good for a two-way speaker — definitely more tightly defined than the JBLs. But the first issue I had was with the bass. The room I’m in doesn’t allow me to get them very far off the walls, so the passive radiators get a bit strangled. Still, I pulled them out as far as possible and lived with them. They’ve been great with jazz and anything with a natural, acoustic sound. Plus, while the bass isn’t a visceral experience, it does sound accurate and well sculpted. I decided to sell the JBLs.

Except, then I hooked the JBLs up again for one last session before posting them on Craigslist.

Here’s the thing: the JBLs are more immersive in my room. They aren’t as clear or revealing, but the bass is deep and alive, the top end is airy, and the imaging is three dimensional. Compared to the KG4s, they just sound sweeter. Definitely coloring the sound, but in a really nice way, whereas the Klipsch can feel cold and thin in this room. The Klipsch are better on paper, I think, and would probably win out in an ideal listening space, but that’s the one thing I can’t really change — my listening space is also a dining room and a living room. I’m attaching a picture of the space. This is really the only way I can set up speakers, and the JBLs just handle the configuration better.

Has anyone had a similar experience of letting go of superior speakers because of the constraints of a listening room? It feels hard to say goodbye to the efficient horn speakers, but the JBLs have never seemed to have a problem with the Dynaco’s 17.5 wpc (might be more since the amp has the EFB mod).

Anyway, just thought I’d share and see if anyone can relate. I guess I’m going to stick with the JBLs for now, or at least until I come across some Heresys…for now, the only heresy in my listening room is the fact that I have plants and books on top of the speakers (I know, I know, but aesthetics matter to me, too…I don’t water with them on the speakers).
 

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One: Speakers do not have to have horns to be efficient. I have a pair of '70s vintage speakers with 10" woofer and dome tweeter that play louder than the KG 4.5's that passed through here a few years ago.
Two: It is quite possible for a speaker A to be superior to speaker B in one room but have B superior in a different room. So don't sweat the specs.
By the way, while the Heresy might do the bass well down to a certain point they do not dig very deep.
 
I know this Jbl vs Klipsch
Horns vs cone drivers
Have Been Beat to Death
But keep your eyes peeled for a pair of
Jbl Studio 590’s on the Used Market
They will easily best the L26’s
and Klipsch kg’s in SQ
And fit the space better
The horn in them is outstanding
 
Have you tried to make your JBLs sound brighter by adjusting your L pads?
Yes, I have done that — and to good effect, too!

I think part of the trade-off is that both sets of speakers do different things well. Although the JBLs fill the room better, they’re less life-like sometimes — it’s less like someone is in the room playing acoustic guitar or something. But they are more satisfying and pleasing to listen to.

I’ve wondered about maybe trying a three-way JBL. Maybe 4311s or something like that. It would be fun to have some JBL horns, but I don’t think they’d fit in my space. The JBL Studio 590s look like they must sound awesome, but I don’t think they are quite a match for my room’s look.
 
This is odd, but I am almost certain that I read a review of KG-4s that said they were meant to be placed one inch from the front wall.

I suspect it was in Stereo Review and I think it was in 1986 and I feel as though the Advent Maestro was reviewed in the same issue.

I could be wrong.
 
The 590's were one of the Last designs of Greg timbers, before he was Unceremoniously let go by Harmon Intl.
The money was spent mostly on Ultimate SQ, with Less$$ going into the finish of the cabinets.
IMHO they easily better the 4311's and 4312's. and the older klipsch Heresy
But yea they are not small.
70 Lbs each, other than their smallish Footprint.
Very few speakers under 2K a pair, can compete just on a SQ Level.
My son bought a pair 2 yrs ago when JBL had them for 1,000$ a pair delivered to the house Total!
He calls them the tall monsters. LOL He cannot turn them up before his GF complains about how loud they get.
 
This is odd, but I am almost certain that I read a review of KG-4s that said they were meant to be placed one inch from the front wall.

I suspect it was in Stereo Review and I think it was in 1986 and I feel as though the Advent Maestro was reviewed in the same issue.

I could be wrong.
I’ve read similar suggestions, but I’ve also read a lot of conflicting suggestions, too. Some people say 1-3 inches, others say 1-3 feet. From my own experimentation, they would sound ideal about 2-3 feet from the wall. Also, they would vastly improve if I could separate them from each other and get a wider stereo field. But, alas, I can’t, which is probably one reason that JBLs designed for near-field listening are better in this space.
 
This is odd, but I am almost certain that I read a review of KG-4s that said they were meant to be placed one inch from the front wall.

I suspect it was in Stereo Review and I think it was in 1986 and I feel as though the Advent Maestro was reviewed in the same issue.

I could be wrong.

I was wrong.

I found what I believe to be the review I was thinking of on HiFiclassic.net and it was a review of the KG2 rather than the KG4.

The reviews on that site were obviously contemporaneous to the products being reviewed, but I found no indication of where they were originally published, who wrote them or how they ended up on a website which didn't exist when the reviews were written.

I found an Advent Maestro review in High Fidelity's November of 1987 issue that may have been the one I was thinking of, although a comment on power handling that I thought I recalled wasn't present and there were no Klipsch reviews in that issue.

I guess it's just age-related memory loss.
 
I was wrong.

I found what I believe to be the review I was thinking of on HiFiclassic.net and it was a review of the KG2 rather than the KG4.

The reviews on that site were obviously contemporaneous to the products being reviewed, but I found no indication of where they were originally published, who wrote them or how they ended up on a website which didn't exist when the reviews were written.

I found an Advent Maestro review in High Fidelity's November of 1987 issue that may have been the one I was thinking of, although a comment on power handling that I thought I recalled wasn't present and there were no Klipsch reviews in that issue.

I guess it's just age-related memory loss.
Thanks for checking!
 
I’ve wondered about maybe trying a three-way JBL. Maybe 4311s or something like that.
JBL L110 would be my suggestion. I have a pair and they do everything well. I've owned L26 and 4311B, the L110 is much better than both of them.
 
Your expectations for a paper-cone tweeter may exceed their capacity to perform. If you want other speakers, I always suggest the L5 which is right in between the old-school JBLs and the later modern stuff. Never heard anyone complain about them as long as they get along with the black monolith look. The price is usually right, too, until too many people figure them out.
 
Your expectations for a paper-cone tweeter may exceed their capacity to perform. If you want other speakers, I always suggest the L5 which is right in between the old-school JBLs and the later modern stuff. Never heard anyone complain about them as long as they get along with the black monolith look. The price is usually right, too, until too many people figure them out.
But you have to feed them
 
15 watts is going to be very quiet and
Run into clipping very quickly on the L5’s
 
15 watts is going to be very quiet and
Run into clipping very quickly on the L5’s
I must have missed the Dynaco model.
Regardless, I've run my L5s on a Crown D45 with something like 25WPC, and they sound great. That's the amp I carry along to test speakers before buying.
:dunno:
 
@tlann It's always fun to cycle gear around and find what you like best.

I've found that when I form a desire to try something else, even if I have an idea of what I'd like to try out, the decision is usually controlled by whatever it is that pops up locally first.

So, whatever 3-way JBL or whatever else pops up on your radar to try in your room, it sounds like it'll be fun to try given the particular spatial restrictions of your setup.

I wonder if you could squeeze a pair of Magnepans into that spot? Those would certainly fill the room with sound ...
 
Based on that pic, the speaker placement looks pretty sub optimal. I'd move them out along another wall & spread them further apart.

Do you sit on the couch when you listen to music? That's sideways from the speakers isn't it? Good luck though.
 
I was wrong.

I found what I believe to be the review I was thinking of on HiFiclassic.net and it was a review of the KG2 rather than the KG4.

The reviews on that site were obviously contemporaneous to the products being reviewed, but I found no indication of where they were originally published, who wrote them or how they ended up on a website which didn't exist when the reviews were written.

I guess it's just age-related memory loss.

The reviews on HiFiclassic.net are taken from Stereo Review but most are edited to exclude graphs(for electronics) and some exclude closing comments.
 
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