michaelhigh
mind's eye music
Heritage Klipsch has mojo.
That's all you need to know. The specifics fall into the category of minutiae.
That's all you need to know. The specifics fall into the category of minutiae.
Klipschorn and Bookshelf Speaker Compliment
- Thread starter pantoramasan
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I have '59 khorns in 2 corners and '59 shorthorns in the other 2 corners.
I've used them all at once but only with FM and only 2-channel,, not quad. Just two separate systems at once.
It's interesting. It can be overbearing and I'm trying to preserve my hearing.
Most days I use the shorties with fisher 500b and Thorens td125. Very pretty.
I've used them all at once but only with FM and only 2-channel,, not quad. Just two separate systems at once.
It's interesting. It can be overbearing and I'm trying to preserve my hearing.
Most days I use the shorties with fisher 500b and Thorens td125. Very pretty.
Pauln
Well-Known Member
If your speaker pairs have different impedance curves and you are creating a "center" by combining them al la A+B speaker switch on one amp, both sets are distributing the wattage between themselves based on the impedance curves... even if the levels between the pairs are "matched" to account for sensitivity difference, the result may still be that when the differing impedance curves of the pairs cross at certain frequencies, the ones with the lower impedance will draw more power - the speaker pairs may end up trading back and forth which sounds louder dependent on frequency and this can make for a somewhat seasick stereo geometry or an imaging space that seems to pump its width like an accordion. This is what PWK called the "soloist on the flying trapeze" problem.
Maybe read the three-channel systems papers that Paul Klipsch wrote; he explored completely the methodology for getting this idea to sound right.
Maybe read the three-channel systems papers that Paul Klipsch wrote; he explored completely the methodology for getting this idea to sound right.
I found my solution for the time being. I am not using four speakers yet though. I did manage to find a single cornwall (I know , it's not a bookshelf size) for a very fair price and using that for a "rear center" speaker, driven by a Grommes "little Jewel" and RCA plugged into the Fisher 500b center channel. The sound so far is quite amazing and will do for now.
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twiiii
Lunatic Member
Are you thinking of mounting them with the drivers pointed toward the ceiling or into a corner and using the difference signal of the left and right as an ambient sound source? Maybe you might consider one of the classic 4 channel Sansui receivers as a source manipilator? If they are truly to be ambient speakers Heresy III would be a great choice with their high efficiency. If they are going to be more of a direct sound reproducer emittingsound directly into the space , then as said above La Scalas or if you have room another pair of Corner horns. Finding a speaker that is efficient enough and has the right directional characteristic for your room environment and your personal tastes is going to be a real challenge. But I would stick with Klipsch all the way.
I have pretty much resigned myself to stick with Klipsch (not that it is a bad thing) and am using the Cornwall II as my "Rear Center" speaker temporarily. I am on the verge of acquiring a mate for the single Cornwall. It will be fun playing around with the these. I don't have room for another pair of Corner Horns. Wish I did.
musichal
poet emeritus
Klipschorn with B&W Nautilus? You could probably name two speakers more different, I guess. Might be arguable, but certainly Quad ESL63 and Klipschorns'd do it. I'm for not putting anything back there, but if you really want surround, then I think the Heresy is the minimum to consider. I do have a little Cerwin Vega center channel speaker we only use for tv/movies because our old ears have trouble picking out the dialogue in one scene without getting blown off the planet when action begins. (And my preamp has a dialogue boost setting which works well.)
What size is the room?
The room is 16'x20' with very high ceiling. As per my last post, I have recently acquired a second Cornwall. Now I have two Klipschorns w/2 cornwall's. Both of the cornwall's were made as Horizontal center speakers and will fit perfectly. I will do some experimentation. Should be fun.
musichal
poet emeritus
I missed that, sorry. Cornwalls and Klipschorns in that size room... I guess the high ceiling helps. Didn't take half measures, eh? My Khorns seem to be all I want in my 17.5' x 31' room with low ceiling - it opens up at one end to 24' rather than 17.5' for an 8' stretch, and has a similar opening 7' long midway along one of the long walls, both of which I'm sure help break up standing waves. Those horizontal Cornwalls are a rare bird - I've seen one, a single. Hope you follow up and let us know how your experimentation works out - should be interesting.
Evidently I still have a lot to learn about these cornwall's that I assumed were horizontal due to the fact that they have the Mid and tweeter off center and in horizontal position if laid down. Now it has come to my attention that my speakers are actually "vertical" cornwall's. And that I assume is because when the cabinet is stood in the upright position, the Mid & Horn are vertical. So what are the more modern Cornwall's called if not vertical with the horn and tweeter directly above the Woofer?
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musichal
poet emeritus
Vertical refers here to the actual position of the horns on the baffle-board, not necessarily to how you should orient the system. 'Normal' Cornwalls have horizontally placed horns on the baffle, but the system is meant to stand vertically, providing wider lateral dispersion and narrower vertical.
Why they built the vertical model would seem to be to place system horizontally, unless for some reason a tighter lateral and wider vertical dispersion pattern was desired. I figure they were meant to be placed horizontally, and that will certainly work better for your application, imo.
Why they built the vertical model would seem to be to place system horizontally, unless for some reason a tighter lateral and wider vertical dispersion pattern was desired. I figure they were meant to be placed horizontally, and that will certainly work better for your application, imo.
I agree...I will follow up once I receive the second speaker and try them in both positions.
dontmindme
Creature
Those vertical Cornwalls are rare also. Are they decorators or do they have grilles?
Thanks for chiming in dontmindme...These do have grills. One is 1971 version (which has an unusual custom plastic grill,photo ) the other which I don't have in my possession as of yet is a 1966 model which has the vintage original tan cloth grill. And you are correct, these are also rare as I have been looking for some time and rarely see this type of Cornwall speaker.
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