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Listened to some new Magneplanars today...kind of long

flyz51

dipolar since 1990
We are visiting my sister this weekend, so I got away for a few hours to poke around and window shop for new equipment and hunt for records. First thing I did was head to the Magneplanar Dealer where I bought my SMGa's in the early 1990's (Audio Consultants in Hinsdale, IL). I haven't listened to any current production Maggies since the mid 90's, so this was a chance to assess both the current state of my speakers and see what I may have to spend in moving up to a different model.

The salesman at the shop was extremely helpful after I explained how I was a former customer and just starting to explore upgrading my current speakers. He asked what I used to drive my system at home before setting me up with an NAD disc player/integrated amp combo that was similar to that (though maybe a tiny bit better than the home system). He hooked up two sets of speakers, the MG 12 and the recently launched MG 1.7 with the new full quasi-ribbon drivers, loaded & fired up the first of my discs, showed me how to operate the A-B switch to toggle between the speakers, handed me the remote volume control and left me (mostly) alone for well over half an hour.

Three things stood out in my listening session:
1) The MG 12's put out a much larger and spacious sound field than my SMGa's even the panels basically the same size. The much larger 1.7's even more so again.
2) The current models also seem a lot faster and more open dynamically than my SMGa's with the 1.7's again taking the honors.
3) Magnepan is still one of the best bargains in quality sound. The MG 12's are about double the outlay of what I dropped on the SMGa's some 17 years ago.

One comforting thought lingered afterwards, my aging SMGa's still sound very good despite their years and heavy use. I'll probably get a new set sometime in the next couple of years before giving the SMGa's a makeover, but I'll never get rid of them (they're already promised to my youngest son). Given the whispered expectations that the newest panel technology of the 1.7's will spread to the other models, I'm willing to be patient. If I don't wait, it will probably be for a pair of the MG 12's, more for size/room compatibility than money considerations (though that does enter into the equation).

SACD's used in my listening session, for those that want to know:
1) Gustav Mahler - Symphony No. 4, Fritz Reiner/Chicago Symphony, RCA Living Stereo SACD reissue. ,The opening movement is a marvel of orchestration that runs from tiny ensemble, sleigh bells with strings to full orchestra. This is a dynamic recording of most enjoyable music.

2) John Hiatt - Master of Disaster,New West Records.One of my favorite singer songwriters backed by the North Mississippi Allstars in remarkable recording produced by the late Jim Dickinson. Listened to the title track.

3) Larry Coryell Organ Trio - Impressions, Chesky Records. An audiophile label I've been very fond of for a long, long time. Wanted to hear the how the Maggies handled the Hammond B3 sound; answer - very well indeed.

4) Yo Miles! - Upriver, Cuneiform Records. An electric period Miles Davis tribute band organized by guitarist Henry Kaiser and trumpeter Wadada Leo Smith, this is a searing recording with massive sound. I wanted to hear how the panels handled the low frequency pedal point bombs that anchor the opening of Go Ahead John. They never got congested and kept the dense percussion stew underlying the soloists distinct and well spaced. This one had the salesman come in and ask what I was listening to.

5) Flanders Recorder Quartet - Banchetto musicale, Aeolus Records
Just because I had to include some early music and to see if the maggies could better resolve this closely blended ensemble recording. It literally sounds like a small organ instead of four recorders. Answer was yes and no, the voices were a bit better separated - but it appears that the blended sound was a primary aim of the engineer.

Next time I go, there will be vinyl too, the journey has just resumed :D
 
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Thanks for the writeup..I love auditioning speakers. I went to Audio Consultants in Evanston two weeks ago to hear the 1.7s, too. I liked them ok until I heard the 3.6s. And I liked the 3.6s until I heard the 20.1s....they get better and better at every step of the way. I wasn't blown away by the 1.7s but thought they could be a nice addition to the speaker family here. The 3.6s could be keepers, though...I really liked those. The 20.1 were fabulous but really WAY too big. Holy cow those were giant speakers. I still thought them a bargain for what they did, even at 10k+. They beat the much more expensive Wilsons on hand.

I've never been out to the Hinsdale store but have drooled over some of the used gear I see on their website. Maybe a road trip....
 
I didn't dare go listen to the really big boys, they just won't fit into either the budget or the room available. The 1.7's will fit in the current set up, but likely wouldn't pass muster on appearance because of their size. The MG 12's I could slip in almost unnoticed due to similar form factor. I could just fib a little and pretend I put the new socks on the SMGa's :scratch2:

As far as being blown away, that wasn't going to happen because of my long familiarity with the Magneplanar sound. I suspect that the 1.7's would probably continue to impress more and more with long term use. They seem to do everything a little bit better, but it is a subtle upgrade that probably takes a long time to fully appreciate.
 
Be sure to try one of the ribbon tweeter speakers, just so you can here the ribbons. They sure are nice.
 
I'm a speaker designer so I don't buy speakers anymore but the Maggies are seriously tempting. If I were to buy some new speakers they'd probably be it.
 
Thanks for the writeup..I love auditioning speakers. I went to Audio Consultants in Evanston two weeks ago to hear the 1.7s, too. I liked them ok until I heard the 3.6s. And I liked the 3.6s until I heard the 20.1s....they get better and better at every step of the way. I wasn't blown away by the 1.7s but thought they could be a nice addition to the speaker family here. The 3.6s could be keepers, though...I really liked those. The 20.1 were fabulous but really WAY too big. Holy cow those were giant speakers. I still thought them a bargain for what they did, even at 10k+. They beat the much more expensive Wilsons on hand.

I've never been out to the Hinsdale store but have drooled over some of the used gear I see on their website. Maybe a road trip....
I had a chance to audition the 1.7's and 3.6's recently, and my experience mirrored yours. The 1.7's sounded good, but the 3.6's were better in just about every way, and I could easily live with a pair.
 
I haven't gotten to hear the 1.7s yet, but it seems as though they wouldn't be an improvement on my modded IIIs. And re the true ribbons...for sure. They're amazing!
 
I have heard the 1.7's and they will not be an improvement over your III's depending on modification. My maple framed tri-amped MGIIIa's easily surpass the 1.6's or 1.7's capabilities. I actually prefer the 1.6 to 1.7. The 3.6's have some amazing potential, and sound quite good stock. I still want to get a used pair of 3.6's and do the same mods I did on the IIIa's though :^)

Never Satisfied,
Jim
 
Maggies are still my favorite speakers ever at this point for the right type of music. Magic I tell ya.
 
As a Lifetime Maggie fan and an Owner of SMGA`s as well I too have explored the newest and best from Magnepan. Having gone to our local dealer in Chandler (the other side of the world) from me L&M Home Entertainment, also the Mac Dealer. The 1.7`s are OK but I was not Impressed as I was with the 3.6`s!! My SMGA`s have modded crossovers and Soon to be completed stands. I agree with Jim that a set of 3.6`s used at a reasonable sum and then Modded would definetly be a Blow you away set of Maggies. I will always keep my SMGA`s but 3.6`s Are in my future.
 
I just picked up a pair of new MG 12's this afternoon. Less than two weeks after starting this thread, the bass/mid panel on one of my SMGa's died (wire parted in two places/small tear in the mylar). After a bit of discussion, I ordered them a week ago. Due to space and budget considerations the MG 12's are the correct choice.

While completing the sale, the store manager told me I bought the SMGa's from him 20 years ago. He found the original sale info in their system while adding my new purchase to their records. After finishing the paperwork, he asked if I wanted to do any listening since I drove 150 miles to come get my new speakers. I spent about 30 minutes listening to the 3.6's driven by a Bryston front end and amp. Those are really remarkable speakers, but for me the purchase price includes a new home with a proper room to let them sing.

After getting the MG 12's home and set up, I'm convinced they are the best fit for our house. There is enough room for them to really open up and sing, but they don't overpower the living room with their size. Breaking them in is going to be loads of fun.
 
I just picked up a pair of new MG 12's this afternoon. Less than two weeks after starting this thread, the bass/mid panel on one of my SMGa's died (wire parted in two places/small tear in the mylar). After a bit of discussion, I ordered them a week ago. Due to space and budget considerations the MG 12's are the correct choice.

While completing the sale, the store manager told me I bought the SMGa's from him 20 years ago. He found the original sale info in their system while adding my new purchase to their records. After finishing the paperwork, he asked if I wanted to do any listening since I drove 150 miles to come get my new speakers. I spent about 30 minutes listening to the 3.6's driven by a Bryston front end and amp. Those are really remarkable speakers, but for me the purchase price includes a new home with a proper room to let them sing.

After getting the MG 12's home and set up, I'm convinced they are the best fit for our house. There is enough room for them to really open up and sing, but they don't overpower the living room with their size. Breaking them in is going to be loads of fun.

Congratulations, And Enjoy them!
Regards,
Jim
 
Some day I hope to make the trip to L&M and give the new maggies a listen. The sound from my SMGa's I picked up a couple years ago have done very well for me. I made new custom frames and stands for them and some day (soon, I hope, Dok) I will finally get around to modifying the crossovers.

Congrats on your new maggies and I'm sure you will get lots of listening enjoyment for years to come.
 
Congratulations on the new Magneplanars, flyz51! And thanks for sharing your experience. What a terrific synchronicity--buying the same brand of speakers from the same dealer across the span of 20 years. I hope he gave you a little discount or perk in the deal.

I've seen a number of testimonies about speaker makers that have left their peak in the past long ago, that merely ride on their once good name and cater to the uneducated masses. It's really good to see that Magneplanar is not one of them. And... I'm blown away by the fact that a dealer is located just *2* blocks from my sister's apartment in Manhattan! I will definitely have to stop in and have a listen. :)
 
Ah the need for a new house to enjoy the bigger magneplanars is a problem trying to keep the purchase economical. You did the right thing getting the 12s. A good step up from the SMG and it fits your listening environment. A month or two of listening and the bass will be fully developed while you enjoy them.

Do you find that they are performing properly in the same location as the SMG or do you get to do some room tuning by moving the speakers a bit?
 
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