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Looking for information on Music Streamers vs DAC'S

centralflori

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New to the digital music streaming devices area and want to make an improvement over my iPhone and I-Home bluetooth setup. Using an older McIntosh preamp and amp, going into various sets of speakers that I would like to hook up to play all together and separately. Looking at various options including Bluesound Node 2i and several other streamers under $2k. Will the onboard sac's give great sound without a separate external doc? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
 
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Well, the MX130 has no digital inputs so that means to decode digital music you'd need an external DAC if you want to listen to music stored and delivered by a computer.

Most streamers have a DAC in them as they accept digital signals and have digital and analog audio outputs. That is exactly how the Bluesound Node is configured so adding one of those to the MX130 gives you streaming. Since it has a USB input you could always connect it to a mass storage device that has digital music stored on it and play that through the BlueSound Node to the MX130.
 
I'm in the process of building up a Raspberry Pi streaming solution and so far the results are encouraging!!

I'm using a bare 4GB Pi 4b running Volumio as the OS. I have installed the Spotify and Spotify Connect plugins for Volumio and I have installed the Volumio control app on my smartphone.

The Pi has an onboard DAC but can also either output digital audio over USB to an external DAC or you can install an add-on DAC board to the Pi itself.

This is a very compact and flexible option for streaming, plus the Pi itself could have many more uses throughout the home.
 
Oh forgot to say, the Pi has bluetooth, wireless and ethernet connectivity in addition to the usual usb, hdmi and 3.5mm stereo jack.
 
I am using an iPhone 6S (lightning to USB) as my streamer with AMHD as well as my own burned CD's at 16/44.1. Works just great.
 
Well, the MX130 has no digital inputs so that means to decode digital music you'd need an external DAC if you want to listen to music stored and delivered by a computer.

Most streamers have a DAC in them as they accept digital signals and have digital and analog audio outputs. That is exactly how the Bluesound Node is configured so adding one of those to the MX130 gives you streaming. Since it has a USB input you could always connect it to a mass storage device that has digital music stored on it and play that through the BlueSound Node to the MX130.


Yes this is what I was hoping to do. Do you think the onboard dac on the new bluesound node is as good as an external dac or is the sound only as good as the weakest link?
 
If you had an external dac it would bypass the internal dac? Would that make an improvement? 'if so which external dacs would be suggested?
 
Yes this is what I was hoping to do. Do you think the onboard dac on the new bluesound node is as good as an external dac or is the sound only as good as the weakest link?

I have no idea. I've heard a lot of DACs but I have never listened to a BlueSound Node. External DACs are not necessarily better than an internal DAC. In my view, the chipset information tends to be the key driver in my selection criteria. I have a particular liking for any DAC that uses ESS Sabre chipsets. They just sound good to me. However, what sounds good to me may not sound good to you.

As with any system if you have a weak link, regardless of what component is compromising system performance, nothing will sound good to you until you deal with the weak link. Obviously a DAC is one component that can compromise sound quality but then again, it is not the only component or accessory that can affect your system in a similar manner. Love it or hate it, you do have to try out different components and accessories to tweak your system to your liking.

If you had an external dac it would bypass the internal dac? Would that make an improvement? 'if so which external dacs would be suggested?

Yes, an external DAC will bypass an internal DAC as long as your digital sources are plugged into it and not plugged into the component that you were using to decode the music.

It may or may not make an improvement. Only your ears will tell you if the sound quality has improved. As far as a recommendation you'll have to continue to peruse the digital section here for posted reviews. At the end of the day, though, you'll have to listen to some DACs to make a choice. I went through 5 DACs before I heard one I really liked.

My suggestion is to go listen to some gear. If a shop is willing they can swap in DACs or other components and demo them for you using the same source and media so you can do a comparison. But I've found that previewing gear in your own dwelling works much better.

Good luck.
 
I use my iPhone 6S streaming to an external DAC for AMHD and burned CD's transferred from my computer. Works great. Regarding the streamer, you could check out Darko on Youtube where he auditions the new BlueSound and mentions the internal DAC as well as using an external DAC.
 
Ended up getting the Cambridge Azur 851N. Downloaded Tidal and have not had easy time operating. So after talking to the people at Cambridge USA technical support I downloaded qubuoz and have been operating with ease at half the price of Tidal. The sound using qubuoz is amazing to me. The only thing I hear is the music the breathing in between vocals and incredibly detailed instrumental portions. I am not sure how it could sound better. No mechanical background noise. Just very detailed and punchy music in the midrange and very detailed highs. Has anyone else had experience with these two options for music streaming services with the Azur 851N or other music streamers?
 
Ended up getting the Cambridge Azur 851N. Downloaded Tidal and have not had easy time operating. So after talking to the people at Cambridge USA technical support I downloaded qubuoz and have been operating with ease at half the price of Tidal. The sound using qubuoz is amazing to me. The only thing I hear is the music the breathing in between vocals and incredibly detailed instrumental portions. I am not sure how it could sound better. No mechanical background noise. Just very detailed and punchy music in the midrange and very detailed highs. Has anyone else had experience with these two options for music streaming services with the Azur 851N or other music streamers?

Congrats and I think you made the right decision. Cambridge Audio is very highly regarded and to get an all in one streamer with a very good builtin DAC is a smart move.

I have a Bluesound 2 and a 2i and been having nothing but problems lately with it. Sound is annoyingly intermittent ever since a software upgrade and have tried direct LAN hookup. Its still glitchy streaming Qobuz which is fine played through my MacMini. So I am now back to using my older Node 100. I do own a few very good DACs, so internal DAC quality is unimportant.
 
I am using a cat 8 line direct ethernet connection with a 1 gb service. The tech support at cambridge said it would work fine on a 10 mb line.
 
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