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Mac4100 bookshelf Speaker recommendations

Alfmonster

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I was wondering if anyone had bookshelf speaker recommendations for a MAC4100. Im new to owning one and am in the process of researching. I’ve been looking towards a Dynaudio Special 40, has anyone paired a Dynaudio Special40 with a MAC4100?

I live in an apartment so the space is a bit of an issue.

Currently my receiver is unrestored, but am hoping to have Audio Classics restore it in the next few months.

As always, I hope this finds everyone healthy and well - thanks so much!
 
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The MAC4100 has ample power and current capability to drive all but the most demanding speakers ever made; a pair of full range bookshelfs should pose no problem. Dynaudio makes some fine bookshelf speakers - a relative owns a pair but I don't recall the model.

I've recently heard a number of Legacy speakers up at Audio Classics which I was rather impressed with. Here's a pair you might want to consider.

https://destinationhifi.com/collections/all/products/legacy-studio-hd?variant=324036451

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Thanks @62caddy for the great recommendations! I’m going to look into the Legacy bookshelf speakers. That’s also a great idea - maybe I’ll look into taking the 4100 in person to drop off at Audio Classics for restoration and see if Mike will be kind enough of demo a few speaker options with the 4100 for me.

Thanks again!

The MAC4100 has ample power and current capability to drive all but the most demanding speakers ever made; a pair of full range bookshelfs should pose no problem. Dynaudio makes some fine bookshelf speakers - a relative owns a pair but I don't recall the model.

I've recently heard a number of Legacy speakers up at Audio Classics which I was rather impressed with. Here's a pair you might want to consider.

https://destinationhifi.com/collections/all/products/legacy-studio-hd?variant=324036451

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I have a pair of DynAudio M20s which sound great with the Mac. Bass in particular is excellent. They are rear ported but I have the ports partially plugged up. I also run a pair of Sonus Faber which are front slot ported. I found that bookshelf speakers with metal or metal alloy tweeters were too bright for me and my Mac. YRMV.
 
I have a pair of DynAudio M20s which sound great with the Mac. Bass in particular is excellent. They are rear ported but I have the ports partially plugged up. I also run a pair of Sonus Faber which are front slot ported. I found that bookshelf speakers with metal or metal alloy tweeters were too bright for me and my Mac. YRMV.

Thank you @EyeGee for your reply! Those are some beautiful speakers. Out of curiosity, what does partially covering up the ports do? I’m glad to hear that Dynaudio and MAC sound nice together as I haven’t been able to find a lot regarding that combination.
 
Thank you @EyeGee for your reply! Those are some beautiful speakers. Out of curiosity, what does partially covering up the ports do? I’m glad to hear that Dynaudio and MAC sound nice together as I haven’t been able to find a lot regarding that combination.
I also use a Mac 4100 and as others have said it will handle with few exceptions any speaker you choose.....I have used KLH Sixes, New Large Advents, Klipsch Cornwalls and Heresys and Tyler Acoustics Taylo Monitors....currently using Epicure Model 10's and from a very simple system the sound is exceptional IMO......the 4100 is a workhorse and I have read more than once on this forum that it is one of McIntoshs best efforts.
 
I also use a Mac 4100 and as others have said it will handle with few exceptions any speaker you choose.....I have used KLH Sixes, New Large Advents, Klipsch Cornwalls and Heresys and Tyler Acoustics Taylo Monitors....currently using Epicure Model 10's and from a very simple system the sound is exceptional IMO......the 4100 is a workhorse and I have read more than once on this forum that it is one of McIntoshs best efforts.

@865wino So much great information here! Gosh you’ve listened to so many beautiful speakers. Which ones did you think paired the best to the 4100?

@62caddy actually introduced me to the Mac4100 on another post about a MX110z. As life would have it, last week, one came up for sale locally that I ended up picking it up and have been really obsessed with it since. The tuner is not 100% as it still needs to be restored, but even at 80% it is still something else.

Again thank you for all of the incredibly helpful advice as this receiver is still very new to me.
 
@865wino So much great information here! Gosh you’ve listened to so many beautiful speakers. Which ones did you think paired the best to the 4100?

@62caddy actually introduced me to the Mac4100 on another post about a MX110z. As life would have it, last week, one came up for sale locally that I ended up picking it up and have been really obsessed with it since. The tuner is not 100% as it still needs to be restored, but even at 80% it is still something else.

Again thank you for all of the incredibly helpful advice as this receiver is still very new to me.

If interested, here's the review of the MAC4100 in High Fidelity in February 1979. Review begins on page 37 of the pdf file.

https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-All-Audio/Archive-High-Fidelity/70s/High-Fidelity-1979-02.pdf
 
I have a very compact listening room, so the Cornwalls were overwhelming for that space.....Klipsch horn speakers are a love-hate affair for most and I found that some days I loved them and other days they were fatiguing....probably more me than the speakers fault....Advents and KLH speakers are very similar in sound, both classic east coast laid back......the Tyler Taylos are my attempt to go modern and I appreciate them for what they can do as a small stand mount speaker.....the Epicure 10 (same as EPI 100) are very compatible with the 4100 and their strength is that at low volume very little is lost sound wise......if I had to pick one, it would be the KLH Sixes (updated)....to me they have what I am looking for when I listen to music.....many many other choices both vintage and modern and your worry is speaker preference, not the capabilities of the Mac 4100.
 
Certainly not bookshelf, but my MAC4100 is currently driving Klipsch La Scalas, Klipsch Chorus Is, and Klipsch Heresy IV. At the same time. Absolutely stunning sound. Audio Classics did the restore on the MAC, and it was worth every penny.....
 
Not to hijack this thread- here's my MAC4100 inbound- ETA 2 weeks.
(Mods feel free to delete if this posting causes any upset or complaint).

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Certainly not bookshelf, but my MAC4100 is currently driving Klipsch La Scalas, Klipsch Chorus Is, and Klipsch Heresy IV. At the same time. Absolutely stunning sound. Audio Classics did the restore on the MAC, and it was worth every penny.....

That’s such an amazing collection of speakers! What are your thoughts on the Heresy iv?? Haven’t had the pleasure of hearing them, but I’ve been reading lots of good things.




Not to hijack this thread- here's my MAC4100 inbound- ETA 2 weeks.
(Mods feel free to delete if this posting causes any upset or complaint).

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Hey!! Wow Congratulations @62caddy - that’s such a clean 4100! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it!
 
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Certainly not bookshelf, but my MAC4100 is currently driving Klipsch La Scalas, Klipsch Chorus Is, and Klipsch Heresy IV. At the same time. Absolutely stunning sound. Audio Classics did the restore on the MAC, and it was worth every penny.....
In my previous post I picked the KLH Sixes as my first choice, but let me add that if I had the space and proper acoustics, the Cornwalls would still be here.....when the drums kicked in on Phil Collins In The Air Tonight, the vibration knocked a ceramic figurine off the adjacent shelf and of course it was HER favorite figurine ever!......that was an expensive drum roll for me!......many good choices for the OP for the 4100.
 
. . .Out of curiosity, what does partially covering up the ports do? I’m glad to hear that Dynaudio and MAC sound nice together as I haven’t been able to find a lot regarding that combination.

Generally a tuned port will extend the bass to a lower frequency but will also un-damp the woofer. The result is lower bass response but can also (sometimes) make the bass boomy. If you plug the port, the woofer will be damped by the back pressure of the sealed cabinet and may produce cleaner bass but the bass will not go as low.

I recommend that you read the measurements page of the Stereophile Review of the Dynaudio Special 40 speakers. (Since you're considering buying these, you should read the entire review if you've not already done so.) In the review, John Atkinson makes measurements of the speakers with ports open and plugged. The impedance curve in Figure 2 shows the lower resonance removed when the port is plugged, compared to Figure 1.

Figure 4, which I've copied below, shows the frequency response measurement. The red line shows the output from the port and the blue line shows the output directly from the woofer. The black line shows the overall response of the port + woofer. You can imagine that if the port where plugged, the overall response (black line) would be the same as the woofer output (blue line) below about 200 Hz.



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"Fig.4 Dynaudio Special Forty, anechoic response on tweeter axis at 50", averaged across 30° horizontal window and corrected for microphone response, with nearfield responses of: woofer (blue) and port (red), respectively plotted below 350Hz and 1kHz, and complex sum of nearfield responses plotted below 300Hz (black)."

Looks like Dynaudio gives you the option to run with the ports plugged or unplugged so you can set that by ear. If you have a small room with boomy bass, you might what to plug the port, for example.

Reading through the review, I see that the Dynaudio Special 40 are easy to drive in terms fo the impedance curve but not very efficient "at 84.4dB/2.83V/m". Given this number, we can get, a very approximate, or ball park idea of how loud the MAC4100 / Dynaudio Special 40s will play. The loudness at your listening seat depends (mostly) on the power into the speakers, how efficient or sensitive the speakers are and how far you sit. This online tool calculates that. It shows, for example that if you sit 10' from the speakers ( 3 meters) and allow 10 dB of head room for transient peaks in the music, about 80 Watts/channel (160 Watts total), which is about what the MAC will deliver, will get you an average listening level of around 87 dB at your seat. That's a bit low if you like loud rock and roll. You can play with this tool to see what you need depending on how close you sit and how loud you listen. If you have a smart phone, several sound pressure level meter apps are available for free that you can use to see about how loud things are when listening.

This is only an approximation but gets you in the ball park. If you consider other speakers, you can plug in their sensitive specs into the tool and see what happens.
 
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Thanks. I fully expect to be unsurprised - which is a good thing. :)

I just looked again at your 4100, are those the real wood sidings that Audio Classics offer? In your experience in connecting the speakers, are 18gauge speaker wires okay to connect say a 15ohm speaker to the 4100? Or will the quality drop off too much?


Generally a tuned port will extend the bass to a lower frequency but will also un-damp the woofer. The result is lower bass response but can also (sometimes) make the bass boomy. If you plug the port, the woofer will be damped by the back pressure of the sealed cabinet and may produce cleaner bass but the bass will not go as low.

I recommend that you read the measurements page of the Stereophile Review of the Dynaudio Special 40 speakers. (Since you're considering buying these, you should read the entire review if you've not already done so.) In the review, John Atkinson makes measurements of the speakers with ports open and plugged. The impedance curve in Figure 2 shows the lower resonance removed when the port is plugged, compared to Figure 1.

Figure 4, which I've copied below, shows the frequency response measurement. The red line shows the output from the port and the blue line shows the output directly from the woofer. The black line shows the overall response of the port + woofer. You can imagine that if the port where plugged, the overall response (black line) would be the same as the woofer output (blue line) below about 200 Hz.



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"Fig.4 Dynaudio Special Forty, anechoic response on tweeter axis at 50", averaged across 30° horizontal window and corrected for microphone response, with nearfield responses of: woofer (blue) and port (red), respectively plotted below 350Hz and 1kHz, and complex sum of nearfield responses plotted below 300Hz (black)."

Looks like Dynaudio gives you the option to run with the ports plugged or unplugged so you can set that by ear. If you have a small room with boomy bass, you might what to plug the port, for example.

Reading through the review, I see that the Dynaudio Special 40 are easy to drive in terms fo the impedance curve but not very efficient "at 84.4dB/2.83V/m". Given this number, we can get, a very approximate, or ball park idea of how loud the MAC4100 / Dynaudio Special 40s will play. The loudness at your listening seat depends (mostly) on the power into the speakers, how efficient or sensitive the speakers are and how far you sit. This online tool calculates that. It shows, for example that if you sit 10' from the speakers ( 3 meters) and allow 10 dB of head room for transient peaks in the music, about 80 Watts/channel (160 Watts total), which is about what the MAC will deliver, will get you an average listening level of around 87 dB at your seat. That's a bit low if you like loud rock and roll. You can play with this tool to see what you need depending on how close you sit and how loud you listen. If you have a smart phone, several sound pressure level meter apps are available for free that you can use to see about how loud things are when listening.

This is only an approximation but gets you in the ball park. If you consider other speakers, you can plug in their sensitive specs into the tool and see what happens.

this is incredible - thank you so much!!


In my previous post I picked the KLH Sixes as my first choice, but let me add that if I had the space and proper acoustics, the Cornwalls would still be here.....when the drums kicked in on Phil Collins In The Air Tonight, the vibration knocked a ceramic figurine off the adjacent shelf and of course it was HER favorite figurine ever!......that was an expensive drum roll for me!......many good choices for the OP for the 4100.

Although it is really tempting, maybe more realistically Heresy IV’s, I have a smaller apartment so Cornwalls may get me evicted as what gets knocked off the shelf may be a figurine in a neighbor’s apartment.
 
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I just looked again at your 4100, are those the real wood sidings that Audio Classics offer? In your experience in connecting the speakers, are 18gauge speaker wires okay to connect say a 15ohm speaker to the 4100? Or will the quality drop off too much?

No that cabinet was made by an independent woodworker which according the buddy who checked the MAC out on my behalf, is even nicer than the others that he's seen. I kind of wanted the original particle board cabinet to keep it 100% stock original but apparently it's been disposed of so I'll just have to "rough it" with the better cabinet! :D

As far as the speaker wiring goes, this table prepared by McIntosh Chief Acoustic Engineer Roger Russell is an excellent guide to cable gauge as a function of impedance and length. (Assuming copper conductor).

Lengths shown for 16 ohm speakers would be double that of 8 ohm (slightly less than double for 15 ohm).
For 18AWG the maximum length would be 64 feet with 16 ohm speakers; so probably safe to say you'll be perfectly fine with 18 gauge. :)

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That’s such an amazing collection of speakers! What are your thoughts on the Heresy iv?? Haven’t had the pleasure of hearing them, but I’ve been reading lots of good things.






Hey!! Wow Congratulations @62caddy - that’s such a clean 4100! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on it!


The Heresy IV are absolutely superb. Best Heresy model I have ever owned, and I've owned quite a few.....Great balance and superb bass. Highly recommended.
 
I just looked again at your 4100, are those the real wood sidings that Audio Classics offer? In your experience in connecting the speakers, are 18gauge speaker wires okay to connect say a 15ohm speaker to the 4100? Or will the quality drop off too much?




this is incredible - thank you so much!!




Although it is really tempting, maybe more realistically Heresy IV’s, I have a smaller apartment so Cornwalls may get me evicted as what gets knocked off the shelf may be a figurine in a neighbor’s apartment.
LOL I hear you my friend!......Cornwalls are not for small spaces and soft music IMO....I had a pair of Heresy ll with Crites upgrades and I didn't dislike them, I found other speakers I liked better.....I would urge the OP to not dismiss Klipsch horns on sight without giving them a listen...they are very efficient and the Mac 4100 will serve them well if the Klipsch sound is in his wheelhouse....Klipsch has been around a LONG time for a good reason!
 
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