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Made new crossovers but SQ took a hit. Need advice!

Alobar

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Hindsight is 20/20 they say, and I probably should have left well enough alone. However that isn't what happened in this case and now I feel like I crapped on my 42 year old speakers that I have owned since new.

For whatever reason I decided it was time to "recap" my JBL L200 speakers, being so old was my main reason, but also hoping the sound would improve too. Problem is, the original crossovers came inside a little can that had some sort of gunk in it gluing all the components together in the bottom of the can. I heard that it was at least possible to slowly heat the can and the gunk would let go of its grip but I didn't really want to try this so I ordered all new stuff and decided to build a new set.

The results were that the speaker plays okay, the hi freq and low freq is going to the correct drivers, but the hi range sounds off. Flat would probably describe it best. Right now I have only done the one so I have the old xover to compare right and left and right now the old one is much more pleasant to listen to. The high frequency sounds like AM radio to me on the rebuilt xover where the old one sounds pretty good for their age.

Here is some shots of the factory schematic. One thing of note is I couldn't find the 5 ohm resistor anywhere in the factory crossover. Could this be a mistake in JBL's literature?
JBL xover.jpg
Here is a diagram of how I built the new one, using terminal strips and jumpers. All joints were soldered and shrink tubed.
L200 diagram.JPG
Here is a picture of one of the crossovers I built:
crossover photo.jpg
For the caps I had to use 2 wired together to get the exact spec. The small inductor was exact, the big one is 2.5mH whereas the original is 2.4mH. I used a #18 gauge air inductor in order to try to match the resistance to the original (sort of a shot in the dark approach). I am wondering if these air inductors could be what is amiss.
Any help greatly appreciated! Lot of sentimental attachment to these old beauties and I am a little sick about it right now. :(
 
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I did find the 5 ohm resistor. It was a cylinder shaped one with blurred writing on it. The JBL sheet shows it to be a .25W which I was unable to find so think I will replace the one I had bought with this old one.
 
Thanks Mike for finding my rookie mistake on that. I made the correction and it is sounding wonderful! Actually just a bit different from the other speaker which is still running the original crossover but is an improvement though, particularly in the bass dept.. Think I'll tackle the other one tonight!
 
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One more comment: JBL used that goop in the xovr as insurance against rattling noises and failure due to metal fatigue in the wires. This stuff matters a lot in high-performance speaker systems. Your layout should be revised to make it similarly robust.
 
those caps will take some hours to break in as well..... Not exactly sure about how long roughly with Daytons??
 
One more comment: JBL used that goop in the xovr as insurance against rattling noises and failure due to metal fatigue in the wires. This stuff matters a lot in high-performance speaker systems. Your layout should be revised to make it similarly robust.
Great point. I have these new xovers mounted under the speaker on the outside of the enclosure so can check connections from time to time. Everything is tighten down on the terminal strips and tie wrapped so hopefully there wont be problems later..

those caps will take some hours to break in as well..... Not exactly sure about how long roughly with Daytons??
I was wondering about cap break in. Yes I have Daytons in it now. I will be listening for improvements in the next few days, especially with my wife out of town for the next week I am free to listen without watching the tube at night!

So now I have the other crossover installed and the speakers sound just great playing on the same page so to speak! One of the things that drew me to rebuilding the crossover was a certain SQ issue that was a little intermittent in nature. Just a bit of distortion I could hear at more complex music passages, and I was wondering about dying caps or even resistors being the cause. So far it is sounding nice and crisp with no sign of the distortion. I hope this was the cure for that!
 
Congrats on getting them back up and running to your satisfaction!!! I ran into a similar situation not long ago (posted in another thread) with a pair of L100's--so far I have found (with the help of AK) three different crossover schematics for the same model of speaker--changes were made during the production run. I have not modded/rebuilt the crossovers (yet), but I went in to clean the L-pad pots and the first schematic that I downloaded did not match the wiring of the phasing of the woofers. I have since found the correct one that matches my models, but apparently JBL is kind of notorious for changes during the production run.
 
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