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Marantz 19 the Best Piece of Audio Equipment Ever made

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And the 19 is not a separate, it's a receiver. Do you understand the difference? And the benefits... Not trying to be mean, just trying to level set you.

Why do you keep referencing separates in comparison to the 19? The 19 is not a separate... Even though its based on them.

Do you think that once you put them in one chassis they some how sound better? ( Hint.....not )

Or do separates typically sound better...?

And why?

What are the benefits of separates and receivers? They both have their place under the sun... But only one has the best all out performance.


its more than one you forgot to read
"The favorite Marantz tuner of virtually everyone who worked for us was the 20B, and this choice encompassed the Marantz tuner range from the 10B up to the 2130"
 
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And the 19 is not a separate, it's a receiver. Do you understand the difference? And the benefits... Not trying to be mean, just trying to level set you.

Why do you keep referencing separates in comparison to the 19? The 19 is not a separate... Even through its based on them.

Do you think that once you put them in one chassis they some how sound better? ( Hint.....not )

Or do separates typically sound better...?

Why?

What are the benefits of separates and receivers? They both have their place under the sun... But omly one has the best all out performance.


seperates or together that can be debated also. are your amps and preamps balanced? are your connectors the same length? theres so many variables to take into consideration even for seperates.
 
You can't ignore the market. The one the most people want, is the one with the highest price. That is how a free market works, and you can't argue with economics.

its psychology also however back in the golden age of audio. They took pride in thier work. the best technology went into the product. It was built to last and sound great. it was american made top quality stuff not like todays junk from china. even if you buy a high end item today more than likely much of the electronics boards are made in china including a mercedes benz ferrari porsche.
Back then you trusted what you paid for and you knew it was built like a first class product. today you cant trust whats at future shop best buy target or even high end shops.
Todays marketing is way more untrustworthy than back then.
China is even in mcintosh today lets face the facts. thats scary
 
seperates or together that can be debated also. are your amps and preamps balanced? are your connectors the same length? theres so many variables to take into consideration even for seperates.


Yes , your 19 is the best 19 of all 19s....and the 19 is best of all time, bar none... And receivers sound better than separates.....

Now I understand fully... I think.... can you help me understand connector length ? Balancing amps and preamps....what is that?

Did that help you....?
 
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its psychology also however back in the golden age of audio. They took pride in thier work. the best technology went into the product. It was built to last and sound great. it was american made top quality stuff not like todays junk from china. even if you buy a high end item today more than likely much of the electronics boards are made in china including a mercedes benz ferrari porsche.
Back then you trusted what you paid for and you knew it was built like a first class product. today you cant trust whats at future shop best buy target or even high end shops.
Todays marketing is way more untrustworthy than back then.
China is even in mcintosh today lets face the facts. thats scary
With that I'll ignore all of your future posts and trolling threads. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and apparently ZERO experience with current high end, American made gear. You're just making **** up because you have a built in bias, most likely based on a hunch or something you read on another forum, and not from one second owning some of the modern high end gear. Besides that, the gear that does have Chinese parts in it- Chinese people have two arms and ten fingers just like you do, and they have a very healthy Hi-end community that is actually buying up this classic American made gear, because they appreciate it just like anybody should. And they make gear based on this appreciation, and a lot of it is very good. This jingoistic stupidity that is trolled about on some many vintage focused "I peaked in my glory days in the '70s" boards., is just hogwash. You guys just make **** up about stuff you have no experience with. You probably spun the dial on a plastic receiver at Best Buy and decided that you then and there learned everything there is to know about the modern state of the audio business.

The same jingoistic crap was thrown about regarding stuff made in Japan in the '70s, about what crap it was, calling it "jap crap" no less, and now you guys are collecting it like it was made from gold, because you have a new culture to look down upon and feel all high and mighty because your brain and two arms and two legs is somehow superior to somebody with the same damn thing. Good gear is good gear- and you seem to be obsessed with that, because every one of the threads you've started in the past two days asks that question, they ask "which is best, which is king, which is the top?". You know what is the top? Modern separates, at at least separates made in the last 15 years or so. At their best, they level everything else. They are SO much better than a '70s receiver that it boggles the mind.

You also wanted us to stop kidding around and talk AUDIO. Well lets go Vinny. Let's talk audio. What do you have to bring to the table besides some quotes you pulled from ebay and a slew of biases, in gear and culture and vintage? Because if you really want to find out the best, you might want to look at modern Pass Labs separates. Or I'd let you borrow my Klyne preamp, and you can put it up against a Marantz unit from the '70s. It's not vintage, its American made, and it has American sourced parts. You come here and criticize the whole board for not taking this seriously, as if it were your board and your place to tell us how to run the site. So lets get serious. Let's talk about what we know, and what we have heard, instead of what we copied and pasted from a website. Do you have a 10b and 20b? What are your personal impressions of them, because you have already made up your mind which is best. What does the 20b give you that the 10b doesn't?
 
Herd mentality??? (maybe it should read, "heard" mentality).

The 60's: Transistors are coming. Hooray. No more bad tubes. Tubes bad, transistors good. Look how vanishing low the distortion is. That means transistors are better.

The 70's: Look how much power we can make. Speakers are becoming less efficient. We need more power but that means more distortion. Solution: more negative feedback. NFB good. Now we have .00x distortion. Than means it sounds better.

The 80's: CD's. Perfect sound forever. It's not just better, it's perfect.

(If someone wants to fill in the next 2 decades, be my guest.)

2010's: People spinning records, listening to low power tube amps with NO NFB????? Sssssuuup with that?

I guess people just make up their own minds as to what sounds good to them. Ya know, not such a bad idea. :thmbsp:
 
OT but, think of the 20 and 20b to be akin of the McIntosh MR77 (20) and MR78 (20b). The 20 when next to a 20b nib had slighty better sound and did not overload while the 20b had hotter specs and was a better dx'er.
 
With that I'll ignore all of your future posts and trolling threads. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, and apparently ZERO experience with current high end, American made gear. You're just making **** up because you have a built in bias, most likely based on a hunch or something you read on another forum, and not from one second owning some of the modern high end gear. Besides that, the gear that does have Chinese parts in it- Chinese people have two arms and ten fingers just like you do, and they have a very healthy Hi-end community that is actually buying up this classic American made gear, because they appreciate it just like anybody should. And they make gear based on this appreciation, and a lot of it is very good. This jingoistic stupidity that is trolled about on some many vintage focused "I peaked in my glory days in the '70s" boards., is just hogwash. You guys just make **** up about stuff you have no experience with. You probably spun the dial on a plastic receiver at Best Buy and decided that you then and there learned everything there is to know about the modern state of the audio business.


Nicely put. We've already invested too much time conversing on this topic that never had a point to beign with. I just love when people ask questions as if they genuinely want the answer, when all they really want to do is assert how extensive their alleged knowledge and mastery of the subject is.
 
Nicely put. We've already invested too much time conversing on this topic that never had a point to beign with. I just love when people ask questions as if they genuinely want the answer, when all they really want to do is assert how extensive their alleged knowledge and mastery of the subject is.

That 10b in your avatar looks fabulous. My best tuner is a Fisher FM-200b tube tuner (best by sound quality), but the one time I saw and listened to a 10b I never looked at my 200b the same again. It was like a date with a supermodel.
 
Don't stop....

The 19 is best of all time.....of all designs.....ain't anything better....Never will be any better.


Did I forget to mention that I have a 19....and my 19 IS THE BEST OF ALL TIME.
 
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That 10b in your avatar looks fabulous. My best tuner is a Fisher FM-200b tube tuner (best by sound quality), but the one time I saw and listened to a 10b I never looked at my 200b the same again. It was like a date with a supermodel.

That picture isn't of my 10B, but I will upload some photos of mine before long. I love that shot too, and it is actually fellow AKer Fredmarantz's 10B.

As for the sound, the 10B makes something out of radio that I had never heard before...sounds like you're in studio listening to the broadcast. Absolutely staggering.
 
Yes ...that's why they call it best buy... Cause it's the best stuff...

But my 19 is the best of all time 19....

But you can have the second best 19....cause you're my pal.

I'm going to buy a 19 tomorrow at best buy, i'm in.
 
Slial and I are going to sell our 10Bs cheap just so we can buy some more 19s....

I never liked my 10b....just a big paper weight compared to my 19!

Just sold my 20 to some guy walking by on the street for 20$...

That picture isn't of my 10B, but I will upload some photos of mine before long. I love that shot too, and it is actually fellow AKer Fredmarantz's 10B.

As for the sound, the 10B makes something out of radio that I had never heard before...sounds like you're in studio listening to the broadcast. Absolutely staggering.
 
technology may have moved a head but the basic principles in audio havent changed at all.

Complimentary amps with negative feedback made watts super cheap and resulted in loads of headroom not previously available. Consequently, amps have become faster and more objectively accurate. Note that I say nothing about subjective preference. You may prefer the old rolled off sound.
 
And today's electronic components are pure junk compared to ones produced 40 years....

The electronic component manufacturing processes have gotten worse over time not better...

And man has not learned a thing....and ATM machines need to be banded so that bank tellers can have a job.....
 
Yes ...that's why they call it best buy... Cause it's the best stuff...

But my 19 is the best of all time 19....

But you can have the second best 19....cause you're my pal.

Screw it, you can have best #1, i'm buying 19 19's so I can have 2-19, someone else can have #20. get em while they are hot!
 
Hmmmmm

I'll see your 19 and raise you a 19 and another 19..... That makes ( ah 19 + 19 + 19 is ah ah ) .... I know 56.... No 57 that's the answer...

All things divisiable by 19 are super cool....

I have to potty and brush my teeth. Night night....
 
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