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Marantz 2015: Slight output discrepancy and hum.

jd3rdcoast

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I took in a 2015 to calibrate for a friend. Really nice looking Baby Marantz. Tested it on a set of Large Advents and sounded good. But with quite a difference between L & R output levels.

Checked the Bias settings and both sides were way down around 1.0 mV on both sides so adjusted with VR's R627/R628 to 7.5 mV spec. Set equal clipping which was a bit off. The bias was not staying stable so gave each VR a shot of DeOxit and worked them. Much more stable now.

Inputting a 1kHz sine wave and watching the outputs was seeing much higher output on R channel and it would go noisy and clip much sooner than L channel. I checked the inputs from Preamp section and they were equal and quiet. Using my scope I checked after the Pre-drivers H601/H602 going into base of H603/H604 and noticed large noisy signals on R side so I replaced H601 (2SC1327 S/R Hfe_518 => KSC1845FTA Hfe_364) & C611 (10uf/25/v => Elna 10uf/50V)

Also some suspect solder joints were re-flowed.

That cleared up some of the noise and the output signals are closer with the R side still a tad higher but very close. The right side still clips a bit earlier as would be expected.

Here is image of the signals at clipping with R on top. 5v/div. calculate to apx 17W R & 9W L. L will clip at 30p-p or 14W but R is already severely clipping by that time.
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At 10v/div
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Tired outputs?

I am still seeing a significant ripple (0.4 V-L and 0.35 V-R) on this board and a noticeable hum (not Vol dependent) when speakers are engaged and volume down. (This is with the input side of board lifted and jumpers for inputs and grounding. I also get a pop in speakers when touching the front panel after a few minutes of warm up.

I'll be replacing main power supply cap (3300uf C004) and filter caps on Amp 2200uf C601/C602.
50V rail output is reading 47.6 V.

Image at 50V input to boards.
0.2v/div
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Image on 2200 uf Filter Caps C623/C624.
0.1v/div.
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Sometimes the problem is due to bad electrolytic capacitors in the LOUD channel power amp.
The ripple you see on the 50V is normal. Most class AB power amps have a very high power supply ripple rejection ratio.

Tom
 
Sometimes the problem is due to bad electrolytic capacitors in the LOUD channel power amp.
The ripple you see on the 50V is normal. Most class AB power amps have a very high power supply ripple rejection ratio.

Tom
Thanks Tom, will recap the Right side, test and report findings. Then finish up with Left side while apart. Will do the PS cap while at it as well to finish up.
 
Got some caps in from Mouser and jumped into the 2015 amp board recap.

Right off the bat found it C609 R side 47/50v purple cap corroded and completely severed from the cap body. C610 on L side was almost as bad and both were open.
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Went on to finish recap finding a few caps reading high. The 2200uf caps were both reading close to 3500uf. Replaced these with 2200/35v UFG from Nichicon. I’ll post a cap list when get done with main filter cap and P/S.

Before:
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After recap:
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Checked and reset bias on DBT with no problems. Went to line power and checked again. Now no audible noise on output (for my ears). Here are scope of outputs:

Output DC at rest 0.1 v scale.
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Output into 8ohm dummy load driven
Input: 1khz. 5v/div .1s/div scope.
Left Ch clips about 28v pp 12.2W
Right Ch clips at 35 pp. - 19W
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Went back and rechecked Bias and R had moved up to 43mv. Reset both to about 18mv across both Emitter Resistors. Didn’t change the output much but getting 15W on L and 17W on R. So guess the R side just has a bit more muscle then the Left side as it stands. Can’t really here a difference so good for now.

Will update with parts when finish.
 
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Finished up the Power Supply recap. Had to replace the Stereo lamp with 6.3v 40mA bulb. Somehow it burnt out during the above recap of amp and power supply. Bias is rock steady, sounds great through OLA Service model. Cleaned/lubed the controls and switches with D5 and Fader Grease.

Currently the Stereo light will not light up in FM mode even on strong signals. I will start a separate thread to see if anything simple to get this functioning.

CAP LIST: edit: w/Mouser part numbers.
P600 - Amplifier
Capacitors
uf V Tol qty Replacement uf V
C601/C602 100 25 2 647-UPW1E101MEDITA 100 25
C605/C606 1 25 10% 2 505-MKS2B041001CKF00 1 50
C609/610 47 50 2 555-RFS50V47PMH4#5 47 50
C611/C612 10 25 2 647-UKT1E100MDD 10 25
C615/C616 100 35 2 647-UKW1H101MPD 100 50
C623/C624 2200 35 2 647-UFG1V222MHM 2200 35
C625/C626 0.1 50 20 2 UNCHANGED
C627/C628 100 10 2 647-UPW1E101MEDITA 100 25
C629/C630 22 35 2 555-RFS35V220MG3#5 22 35

C004 3300 50V 1 647-LKG1J332MESCBK 3300 63V

P800 POWER SUPPLY
Capacitors
uf V Tol qty Replacement uf V
C803 330 50 1 Pan FC 330/50 105c
C804 330 35 1 647--UFG1H331MHM 330 50
C805 220 16 1 647-UPJ1J221MHD 220 63
C806/C807 100 50 2 647-UFG1H101MPM 100 50
C808 470 10 1 647-UFG1C471MPM 470 16

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