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Marantz 2500 on the bench

mikey99

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I started talking about this 2500 in another thread, and decided since this isn't
a quick fix ......to start a separate thread. Also to keep a log of what all has been
done , hopefully might help someone else in the future. Sorry for the long post
but I need to catch up from the other thread.

I recently inherited a Marantz 2500 from my father.
I remember when he got this used from a friend many years ago, probably around 1990.
The receiver did work at that time, and my father listened to it occasionally.
At some point the receiver started blowing the main fuse and my father set this
aside. He did buy a service manual and spent a few hours looking at it but
never really got too enthusiastic about fixing it.


Fast forward to a few months ago.
I brought the 2500 home and started looking at it.
The P800 PS board was removed so I don't know if there was some indication of a problem there.

So far I have done the following:
Transformer checkout: Checked resistance on all transformer windings...primary and secondaries
....all appear good. With the P800 board disconnected , attached it to a dim bulb tester, and
measured the secondary voltages, all appear good, slightly low due to the DBT.

1) Put the P800 board back in , still attached to a dim bulb tester, powered on
and the fan came on and stayed at high speed.
2) Found that the soft start resistor had opened.....not sure if that happened
when I powered on or it was already open.
3) Started checking for shorts, found that the rail voltage terminals on the right (outside)
amp board were shorted.
4) Disconnected both channels amp board rail voltage, replaced the soft start resistor
with a 12 ohm 10 watt.
5) Powered on, fan came on high speed, then switched to low speed. Basic panel functions
like lights, source select, and source indicators work okay. Nothing on the scope.
Recapped the P800 board (hate that glue) and reinstalled it.
6) Reconnected the left channel (inside) amp board rail voltage.
7) Powered on hoping to get sound from the left speaker but no luck. This time I heard another
click which I think came from the speaker protection relay.
8) Attached an antenna and also noticed the Stereo light does not come on while tuning.
9) Attached my ipod to the Aux input, still no sound output.
10) Attached the ipod to the left channel 'Main In' on the rear panel and I do get sound.
However, bypassing the preamp ..... so cannot really tell much from this.
11) Decided to fix the short in the right channel amp board.
12) Removed the amp tunnel assembly....removed the right channel amp board.
13) There appear to be three shorted output transistors QM11 (D555) and QM09/QM08 (B600)
Looks like Emitter to Base AND Collector all shorted.

At this point I can replace these three transistors, and recap the P700 boards.
Are there other components that should also be replaced in the amp section?
Don't want to replace these three and have them blow again. Does anyone recommend
to replace ALL the transistors ? Wondering if its common to have multiple shorted transistors like this.
Obviously something catastrophic happened here to blow three transistors.

Have not tried cleaning switches or pots, hopefully that will solve some of the other minor issues.
 
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There are a couple of excellent threads on the repair and restoration of the 2500/2600 here on AK that it would be prudent to look through.
I have and would replace all the output devices in the shorted channel. Be sure to check the TO220 drivers.

Tom
 
On the amp boards, I'd also replace the input stage transistors, AKA the differential pair. They should be gain (Hfe) matched to each other. That looks like Q701/702 and are 2SC2088 according to the SM. I'd then use KSC1845's. On the outputs I'd use MJ21193/4 types.
 
Let me copy Steven real quick here once...:needpics:
ok im done. cant wait to see the progress on this. i might get a 2220B. its just a bit smaller then the 2500 :P
 
Here's the inside showing the P800 board installed, scope section, and empty hole from the amp tunnel and the temporary 12 ohm soft start resistor:

IMG_4895.JPG IMG_4897.JPG IMG_4888.JPG
 
P800 board cleaned up nicely and re-capped....I have the diodes and TO-220's
but have not installed them yet !

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Overall the 2500 looks clean, just dusty inside. The amp tunnel is also pretty clean, barely any traces
of dust inside. I plan to clean each section as I remove the boards......

Looking at the MJ21193/4's (ON Semiconductor) at mouser.com
I noticed there are some 2SD555 and 2SB600 available from various sellers
but it sounds like the MJ21193/4's are the way to go.

 
What is WITH the flood of 2500 and 2600's I've seen getting the full resto around AK?? Seems they're always cropping up!

Okay, I've pulled up a chair. Great work thus far.
 
Overall the 2500 looks clean, just dusty inside. The amp tunnel is also pretty clean, barely any traces
of dust inside. I plan to clean each section as I remove the boards......

Looking at the MJ21193/4's (ON Semiconductor) at mouser.com
I noticed there are some 2SD555 and 2SB600 available from various sellers
but it sounds like the MJ21193/4's are the way to go.

Nice job!

I just used the On Semi MJ21195G and 96's on one, the distortion level is super low and they seem to match well. I think the 93/94's are basically the same part.

How far do you plan on going with the restoration? Do you just want to repair it or do a full recap?
 
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Nice job!

I just used the On Semi MJ21195G and 96's on one, the distortion level is super low and they seem to match well. I think the 93/94's are basically the same part.
Check figure 13 on the datasheets for them on the ON-SEMI website.
The '95 and '96 have a slightly larger SOA than the '93 and '94, it probably doesn't really matter.

Tom
 
First I'd like to get both channels of the main amp working , and will recap the amp boards while I have this out.
Next step is to determine why I have no sound from AM/FM or the AUX inputs. Almost seems that the preamp
isn't working at all or I have some very dirty switches. I may not do a full recap , but if I take a board out, its
getting new caps. I'll be inspired to recap more boards if I can get the receiver partially working.

I'll start pulling the shorted output transistors this weekend. Need to finalize my Mouser.com order so I can get
those parts asap. Do the ON-SEMI transistors include the insulators ? I have a bunch of those old clear (mica?)
ones but I'm sure there's something better to use. I'll probably just go ahead and replace those TO-220
devices on the heatsink too if I can find the parts.
 
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