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MC275...time for new KT88s

Nice pictures and copy.
I'll wait a bit. Different is easy , better, harder. The science of tube making hasn't changed much. Shame a lot of the experience and knowledge seems to be gone. The market can't generate the revenue to get to back where we were (I'm not implying new production tubes suck) just the force of scale makes it difficult to develop tooling, coatings and production improvements to put it where it could be. Honestly I'd like to be wrong. (Admittedly my opinion)
 
On the plus side, at least they still make tubes. Otherwise I would have a 68Lb. doorstop. :)
 
I would dearly love to use the original tubes that came with my 275. Unfortunately original Gold Lion KT-88's are out of my price range. :)

I put two SED's and two original GL's in my cit.I.
I couldn't tell the difference in sound between the two pairs.

If only someone would pick up and continue the SED line with better QC.
 
The Genalex Gold Lion's get rave reviews. I wouldn't worry about the S.E.D.s

I've compared and like the sound from SED's better.
I'm sure it's amp dependent, but the winged c's had better bass and overall sound to me..
 
Anyone here using the GEC A2900 (12AT7) mentioned in that link? I priced those last night...not going to happen here....


jblnut
 
Better put all your money in the first 12AX7 tube in your MC275. NOS Telefunken.

I use only KT88 Gold Lion on mine and I am very happy. Run cool also.
 
What are the main differences between 6550 and KT-88 output tubes?

For all intents and purposes they're the same tube.
You could push a KT88 a little harder. (max values, dissipation) In this amp it wouldn't make a difference aside from your personal preference.
I don't know much about current production 6550s. The KT88s are pretty much used in most modern amps.
 
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I had issues with the genalex reissues - twice - cost me money both times to fix the amp. No more Genalex reissues for me.
 
The tubes may sound good, ( and I have heard good things), but the copy in the Psvane lit reads like a wheel barrow full of horse manure.

I agree with Brice regarding the first driver. Try several NOS/vintage types along with new production and you will hear a noticeable difference each time. New production GL's and Sovtek 12AX7LPS are good tubes (especially the latter). Teles, Mullard, Amperex, RCA, Sylvies... all good and system dependent.
 
Who makes the McIntosh KT88's?
I can confirm that the original OEM McIntosh KT88 tubes in my MC275mkVI sound and, apart from the label, look identical to JJ KT88. Very nice sounding tubes, either ones. I tried the Russian Gold Lion reissues, didn't care for them and sold them.
There is a lot to be said for using tubes the amp was voiced with...
 
Better put all your money in the first 12AX7 tube in your MC275. NOS Telefunken.

Of the three 12AX7's I think the first one is used on the unbalanced inputs only, balanced connections don't use that tube. Is that correct? Would it be safe to say that all three of the 12AX7's make the most difference, or would it be the 4 12AT7's.
 
I guess if you ask a dozen people about KT88's you might get a dozen responses and this thread is no exception. I wish to thank everyone who has taken the time to respond and I have really enjoyed the discussion. I pulled the trigger on the Psvane KT88-Tii's and will let everyone know how they work out. Grant Fidelity is well aware of the Mc275 auto-bias issue by now (see the link I posted earlier) and they will ship slightly lower emission tubes so as not to run afoul of the amp's configuration.

I was also told that the 12AX7's are the most important (of the small tubes) which is why I have NOS Sylvanias in those locations.

jblnut
 
What are the main differences between 6550 and KT-88 output tubes?

I did a quick search and this is the only answer I could find that had any objectivity to it. The others were all about what the author heard. Which is neither bad nor good. I just wanted to see if there was any difference in design and there is. Here is what Bob Latino had to say about the differences. I've used both in my original issue 275. Both before and after a rebuild. The only 6550's I tried were Tung-Sol reissues and they sounded very good. Plus were the least expensive at the time. I was gifted a set of reissue Gold Lions and they are what I use now. I've used almost all the KT-88 brands out there and none have sounded bad to me. I must not be an audiophile as I can't say anything bad about any of them. OK, enough of my rambling here is what Bob had to say.

This has been brought up before and other's may have a different opinion but here is my take on the situation ..

1. KT88's can nearly always be substituted for 6550's and vice versa.
2. KT88's cost a little bit more than 6550's.
3. KT88's can stand a little more voltage than 6550's and *may* be more durable in amps with a very high B+ voltage.
4. As far as sound goes, IMHO, most 6550's have a "tubier" sound than KT88's with perhaps a little more mid-bass content. KT88's generally have a little more output at the very frequency extremes (top and bottom).

Which tube is best for your amp (and system) is probably dependent on your musical tastes and the components you have in your system. Neither tube is "always better" than the other ..

Bob
 
I have dealt with and really like Bob so i hope this doesn't come across as a knock. Its not meant to. That answer is little more than the others you've read here (certainly no better or worse). Unless someone gets several amps and a large collection of the players in matched quads and does dynamic testing, that is under comparable loads (a single load for any comparative analysis) checks output power, frequency response and distortion tests. Also long term reliability tests . We're pretty much stuck with small sample size unscientific testing and opinions. I'm not condemning the process. I certainly at times have asked people's opinion. You just have to place as much weight (in your own head) how accurate (valuable?) It is. YMMV
 
Yeah just to add a few things, a 6550 is not a direct replacement for a KT88 although they are the same pinout and a tetrode.
Max plate voltage on a KT88 is 800V max plate voltage on a 6550 is 600V. So before substituting a KT88 for a 6550 you need to make sure you are within the safe operating area voltage wise, they also bias slightly differently so you really want have adjustable bias in the amp.
Also as mentioned, the KT88 has higher dissipation.

So, NOT always safe to go from KT88 > 6550. Check plate voltage's first. I would be surprised if the plate voltage on a 275 is more than 600V but these things need to be checked!!
But, SAFE to go 6550 > KT88

I swap between KT88's and 6550 in my guitar amps depending on what I feel like at the time and what tubes i have lying around, plate voltage is 480V, so all I do is check the bias which sometimes needs a tweak.
I am running GEC KT88's (no they are not for sale and no you can't try them...) in one amp and 6550's in the other at the moment, the difference I have found (in the same amp) is the 6550 has a stronger and more dense mid-range, great for dirty guitar sounds, but the KT88's has more extended frequency range, particularly in the top end which is nice and glassy which a rich "chime" to it....great for cleaner guitar sounds.
How that transposes to a HiFi amp I am not sure....But my 2cents is if the amplifier is designed for KT88's, then that's what I would be using hands down.
If I had a 275, I would just use the tubs McIntosh supply.....There's always theories about this and that, but personally, I would trust McIntosh.

My 2cents.....

I did a quick search and this is the only answer I could find that had any objectivity to it. The others were all about what the author heard. Which is neither bad nor good. I just wanted to see if there was any difference in design and there is. Here is what Bob Latino had to say about the differences. I've used both in my original issue 275. Both before and after a rebuild. The only 6550's I tried were Tung-Sol reissues and they sounded very good. Plus were the least expensive at the time. I was gifted a set of reissue Gold Lions and they are what I use now. I've used almost all the KT-88 brands out there and none have sounded bad to me. I must not be an audiophile as I can't say anything bad about any of them. OK, enough of my rambling here is what Bob had to say.

This has been brought up before and other's may have a different opinion but here is my take on the situation ..

1. KT88's can nearly always be substituted for 6550's and vice versa.
2. KT88's cost a little bit more than 6550's.
3. KT88's can stand a little more voltage than 6550's and *may* be more durable in amps with a very high B+ voltage.
4. As far as sound goes, IMHO, most 6550's have a "tubier" sound than KT88's with perhaps a little more mid-bass content. KT88's generally have a little more output at the very frequency extremes (top and bottom).

Which tube is best for your amp (and system) is probably dependent on your musical tastes and the components you have in your system. Neither tube is "always better" than the other ..

Bob
 
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