ripblade
Addicted Member
If it's the same as the Realistic/Shure R47xt the angle is 10 degrees.
If you feel the metal clip is not secure enough I suggest using UV cured plastic (eg Bondic) to reinforce the grip. It's expensive, but works a charm and is easily reversible as the plastic is not as sticky as epoxy or urethane adhesive.
I tried potting an M44-7 in a wood body (black walnut)....easy enough as there's no angle to worry about. I wouldn't recommend it though as the Shure is already quite warm; the addition of wood killed what dynamics the cartridge had. A denser species or something soaked in superglue might be a different story. I'd still use metal instead, and will at some point in the future.
If you feel the metal clip is not secure enough I suggest using UV cured plastic (eg Bondic) to reinforce the grip. It's expensive, but works a charm and is easily reversible as the plastic is not as sticky as epoxy or urethane adhesive.
I tried potting an M44-7 in a wood body (black walnut)....easy enough as there's no angle to worry about. I wouldn't recommend it though as the Shure is already quite warm; the addition of wood killed what dynamics the cartridge had. A denser species or something soaked in superglue might be a different story. I'd still use metal instead, and will at some point in the future.
bang4buck
Super Member
Looks like you're not actually using the clip the way you're supposed to. Remove the stylus, hook the rear of the cartridge under the tab first, then swing up the front and snap it in. This will take some pressure. It's a very secure system that weighs next to nothing, and probably cost next to nothing to make. Which was probably the main benefit, back in the day when Shure was putting these out by the millions.
You're right that the clip can be "slippery" under the screwheads, but when used as designed it has a very secure grip on the cartridge.
You're right that the clip can be "slippery" under the screwheads, but when used as designed it has a very secure grip on the cartridge.
marcmorin
RIP 1953-2020
Bang4buck, are you referring to me or to Donal? I think I have it installed like you have described....the metal clip does seem to grip the cartridge all right, but it's the mounting of the cartridge onto the headshell with that clip that is the issue. Or, maybe it's me not using the right screws or needing some washers etc. etc.
bang4buck
Super Member
To you, I guess, although Donal may have the same issue. Can't tell for sure from his photos but yours in post #20 clearly shows the cartridge is sitting at the wrong angle. That's what happens when you don't hook it under that tab. The rear of the cartridge body, where the contact pins stick out, must end up parallel (nearly flush, actually) with the "holding arms" on either side.
I know, I know, these look like the bottom of the cartridge should be parallel to the record, but it shouldn't. I'll upload a photo in a moment.
GREAT EYE!!! What you pointed out caused me to do another inspection of the mounting mechanism, and just like you said, the rear of the cartridge was sitting ON TOP of that small rear tab on the clip, NOT in front of it and hooked in so when you push the front up, it makes a very solid snap into place. Mine kind of snapped into place before, but NOTHING like it does now. This should make keeping the whole thing more stable more possible when working with those dang "feet" and the mounting screws.
Donal, have a look at how yours is mounted and make sure that you follow bangforbuck's instruction. On the clip, you will see a small "nub" at the rear where the cart makes contact. Position the cart just slightly ahead of that and push the rear right up against it. Now, snap the front of it in like he said and it will be MUCH more secure.
Thanks a bunch....owe you one! See pic now of correctly fitted clip:
Yeah, only wish I had a clip that looked like yours.....mine has the feet that look like Donal's in his first picture, post #1......way more fussy to get on there tight unless, again, I just don't know how to do it properly which is very likely based on I didn't even know how to properly put the cartridge in the clip to begin with!!!
bang4buck
Super Member
Oh, I see, those screw ears are open towards the front, not the side. That can be helpful or a PITA, depends on the situation. Try mounting the clip by itself and then clipping in the cart.
And you're very welcome. You have my sympathy for having to live with those finicky Dual headshell sleds.
Edited to add: Glad you were able to see the photo, I clearly still need to learn how to do that properly. (Why does every forum have to be different...)
And you're very welcome. You have my sympathy for having to live with those finicky Dual headshell sleds.
Edited to add: Glad you were able to see the photo, I clearly still need to learn how to do that properly. (Why does every forum have to be different...)
Thanks, and for the sympathies as well.....
That is precisely what I wound up doing, mounting the clip first and then snapping in the cart (however wrongly at first). Now the situation is at least partly under control as the cart is just MUCH more stable in the clip.
Donal64
Well-Known Member
Mine is mounted properly. Tried taking a couple pics but they didn't show so well. Glad things are working smoother.
Donal64
Well-Known Member
I got some styli in from VOM recently and one was for this cart. So, I installed it and had to adjust the overhang. It is a PITA. When I start something , I sometimes get tunnel vision, and can't see anything except what is at hand. I shoulda used washers. I think things woulda gone a bit easier.
Donal64
Well-Known Member
The part of the clip where the screw goes thru is not a hole, it's more like a prong, and when tightening, the screw tends to "walk" out of the prong. I'm prolly gonna be re- doing this one at some point and use washers. https://www.vinylengine.com/library/shure/m93.shtml
Ripblade, I understand the confusion as not all of these clips, according to what I've seen, are constructed the way mine and Donal64's are. Look at his first post and observe the configuration of the prongs on the side of the clip where the screws go. They are more like "hooks" and instead of being a hole, are open towards the front of the cartridge. Have a look at bang4buck's picture in post #27. That clip has the openings going to the side of the cartridge and would be far easier to work with. The problem is, with the openings going toward the front of the cartridge, when you tighten down on the screws they tend to "walk," as Donal points out, away from the area on top of the clip prong and make it really difficult to get the cart in the position you would like for it to be. Why they didn't just have two round holes instead of those hooks beats me, but that's what it is.....
