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NAD 2600PE - seeking repair advice

ben_

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Hello forum,

After a few month hesitating about buying a used power amp, I finally found something matching my speakers needs (150 WPC and stable into below 3 ohms load) and bought a NAD 2600PE locally for a reasonnable price.
I went to the previous owners place and listened to the amp on Martin Logan Scenario speakers, with what I think was a D-stream network streamer source (from both Qobuz and local flac files) and it worked flawlessly. This amp has not much controls to test, so I switched it on and off to check for any protection noise and played the L&R volume pots from 0 to maximum without hearing a single static or plop. Sounded great overall, we listened to few tracks and talked a little about audio stuff, then I took it without a doubt it will be great with my Focal speakers.

Back home I've tried to plug it to two different speakers and two different sources and cables and it has the same issue with apparent noise and cutouts on the left channel, nothing loud or harsh sounding though.

This amp was serviced in 2016, because it didn't want to turn on at the time. Seller give me the invoice, and was done :
- Refurbished mains voltage selector
- Repaired power section solders + power supply
- Changed coupling capacitor on input stage, driver and power supply
- Bias current control
- Controls and test

Seller said it has worked great since this repair, and I tend to think he is honest because I hear it working.

I guess it may have a dried soldier or a bad connection in protection relay and the issue just got worse or made audible because I moved it by car or it stayed in the trunk the whole afternoon (it was a little hot that day, like 30C / 86F but car was in the shadow). I'm saying this because tapping on the case near the relay and speaker binding spot has an effect on it, like it goes into contact again for a few instants.

So, I'm heading to open it, open and deoxit the speaker protection relays, inspect for any dried solder, also cleaning the two volume pots while I'm on it. I have already done that on other (integrated) amps
I don't own or have access to a scope, and I just checked DC on speakers output with a cheap multimeter and its 0.02mV on L and 0.01mV on right at full volume, seems ok to me but I'm no specialist.

Do you think it may be the relay issue and do you see something else I should do while on it ?


Many thanks
 
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- Repaired power section solders + power supply
Not sure what this means?

What is the "noise" that you are getting in the left channel - can you describe it? Does it happen once you switch the amp on, or once the amp has warmed up for a bit?

You may have a weakened cap or tranny in the protect circuit that holds the relay contacts closed.
 
Thanks slimecity,

Not sure what this means?
Well, me neither honnestly I just translated this from the invoice I got. Probably some dried solders or bad tracks where re-soldiered


What is the "noise" that you are getting in the left channel - can you describe it? Does it happen once you switch the amp on, or once the amp has warmed up for a bit?
Noise sounds like 'shhhpllp' mixed with music sound, at the same sound level, and silence for few milliseconds in between plops. If I raise input level from the preamp or volume pot on this channel the noise gets raised by the same level. Without input I get 0 audible noise, even at full level.
On the first pair of speakers the noise was audible immediately after I started it. On the second pair (amp had plenty time to cool down before I plugged it) I didnt noticed it for a few minutes after starting playing music. I must say the first speakers are Monitor Audio BX2 that are kind of forward and the noise sounded more strident on them but still not louder than musics bits

You may have a weakened cap or tranny in the protect circuit that holds the relay contacts closed.
Possibly, I should check on that as well.

Will probably have a better view on what the tech did inside and check relay contacts conductivity once I open it
 
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If you turn it up, sometimes way up, does it get better? They are known for getting dirty relays. My 2400 would get staticy and quiet when I first got it. I had planned on replacing the relays, but using it often cleared up the problem.
 
Have a look at the DC offset adjusters, SVR201/202. They tend to get a bit noisy after a while. I replaced mine with cermet multi turn pots and havent had any problems since.
 
So you only get this noise with RCA leads plugged in?

Yes, and only while music is playing with volume above 0 on the pre.

I opened it since yesterday, and lots of solder have been reflowed, and some tracks in power supply covered entirely.
The caps on the invoice were changed as well.
One (bad?) surprise is one of the output transistors were probably changed as well. Same refs but Toshiba brand written on cursive lettering

I deox-ed volume potentiometers and sprayed on the protection relays in a desperate move, just over a thin plastic assembly gap.
Now it sounds better but left channel seems just weaker, and drop completely outs from time to time, but no noises like before.

I'll probably get the left relay out to test it properly next time
 
Guys, good news I got it working :) it was the relay
I found a YouTube video from a NAD 2200 owner with the same white boxed relay that where faulty.

In these amps you can access the inside of the relay it's not sealed in any way, no wonder why it's a usual defect on nads. Just use a flat screwdriver on its side and play it a bit it just pop opens. Once inside I gently scrubbed the contacts with P600 sandpaper and blowed the dust with air can and voila !

Very happy with result it sound great so far, will try to push it more tomorrow when the kid won't be aslept.

Many thanks everyone
 
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