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NAD C356BEE

johnhoef

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Hello, everyone,
I just scanned through all the threads concerning this NAD C356BEE, and see very little about repairs. This must be quite a reliable amp! Well, this one I am working on does indeed, have a problem. Thought I might start a discussion about this particular problem I am having, concerning a rather unusual design in the power supply. Referring to page 17 of the service manual, the upper right corner is the "SUPPLY CIR", as it is labeled. This circuit provides the plus and minus 26 voltages, the plus and minus 18 voltages, and the plus 12 volts. An unusual design utilizing a device called an adjustable shunt regulator, part number AZ431. This is the first time I have seen this device. With no explanations in the manual, I am left to figure out how this power supply works. My first thought is - why this design, when a simple three terminal IC regulator would work just fine? Like the regulators that they use to develop the plus and minus 18 volts. So, the malfunction is within the circuit that uses Q41, Q43, and this IC301 which is the AZ431. R413 was burned, so I replaced that. Figuring the AZ431 would have been stressed, I decided to replace it as well. My local supplier did not stock these, but he did have an ECG999M. This is an 8 pin DIP style IC. Not exactly what I had in mind to use, but it was quite cheap, so I decided to use it. It took some creative wiring to get it in the circuit, but got it done. Still the supply does not work. As I bring up the variac, the output of this circuit goes past 26 volts. Have any of you looked at this circuit before? Any thoughts?
 
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Oh, thought I would say one more thing....replacing that R413 was not easy. NAD uses some unusual solder that is difficult to wick away with the solder wick. Perhaps some sort of silver solder? I ended up damaging the circuit board while trying to wick off the solder. This is a very fragile circuit board! I managed to repair the damage, but am very reluctant to do any further repairs until I find a way to be more gentile with this circuit board. Any ideas?
 
I would have just replaced the AZ431 with a AZ431 (48c from digikey). The NTE999M spec allows for up to 36v regulation.

ESR check caps in power supply and main ripple filters, replace failed components as needed. I would not changed circuit design.

And yea lead-free solder is a little more work, especially for plated through holes on PCB. And NAD PCBs are not robust.

EDIT: solder wick or a good solder sucker is what helps.
 
jhjove,
Thanks for your thoughts. I'll be doing some voltage checks today on this unit. The thought did cross my mind to get the real deal - AZ431. I got this ECG999M because my local supplier had it, and didn't want to wait for the mail. The ECG999M was probably on his shelf for 40 years! I guess I will wait for the mail after all. Mouser has these as well.
Indeed, the PC board is very fragile...that coupled with the tougher solder makes for easy damage to the PC board.
 
I ended up damaging the circuit board while trying to wick off the solder. This is a very fragile circuit board! I managed to repair the damage, but am very reluctant to do any further repairs until I find a way to be more gentile with this circuit board. Any ideas?
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...plus add a little leaded solder prior to attempting to remove a component.
 
50 green, Yes, I have used solder suckers before, and never liked them. However, perhaps you're right, that this may be a better way than solder wick in this particular case. I'll see if my local supplier has one.
 
I finally received the proper parts from Mouser today, and promptly installed IC301, which is the AZ431, Q43, which is a 2SC1815, and R413. This restored operation of the +26 volt supply, and brought the unit back to life. I noticed the AZ431 gets quite warm during operation. Likely due to the prolonged running hot over the years finally caused it to fail by shorting, taking out R413. I installed a heat sink on it in hopes this will extend it's life. Just wondering, is it supposed to run hot?
 
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