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Need opinions: DBX Soundfield vs Dayton Audio B652

Hey, I am looking for some opinions on wether or not Dayton Audio B652 speakers would be an improvement over some DBX Soundfield 3x2. Right now i am using the DBX's with the sub, and was wondering if the Daytons would sound better than the DBX satellites.
I would not call myself an Audiophile, but i do like to try to listen to my music at a higher quality for a very low budget. That is why i am asking for opinions on these, they fit a very low budget and have received good reviews for their price point.

So, somebody with more experience then myself, would the Daytons be an improvement over the DBX.
Here are links to both:

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/dbx-soundfield-3x2-rs-plus-bookshelf-65326567

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-652
 
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I have not heard the dayton. I have heard the dbx, specifically that model and the dbx soundfield V

I can't say that sereis was great but my gut level feeling is they will still be a significant amount better than the daytons. I think they are more sensitive and wouuld have better frequency response across the whole spectrum.

Maybe someone else wil chime in.
 
Oh wow, I'm not sure if I had that exact DBX system (angled bookshelves, sub and sub amp), but I had that or something close to it which was my first "real" system at age 16. Bought it in '93 iirc for $300 back then (yikes!) because a friend's parents bought the same sat/sub/amp system and I liked the idea of satellites and a sub set up which was all the rage with the booming HT and sub market in the early 90's. Ordered via mail order lol.

I haven't listened to it in over a decade, but I kept the whole set up and it's in my basement storage currently.

But, from what I recall, the sats/bookshelfs weren't half bad. Now I was just a teen and far from an "audiophile" at the time, and of course have fond memories of re-discovering and discovering great new-to-me music with my first "real" equipment (before I just had a portable cd player with stock headphones that came with it), but the bookshelfs did seem to have a certain light, airy, and analytical sound which I enjoyed (and still like): pretty sharp, clear, and detailed, with some interesting imaging going on from their unique shape. A bit gimmicky, but the overall sound was good.

And keep in mind that, iirc, the DBX sat/sub/amp setup, while maybe not "hi-fi", was advertised as such in many consumer electronic/stereo mags at the time. It wasn't offered as a mere "cheapo bargain bookshelf system" as the Daytons are, because, at the time, it was not. $300 back then was $440 in '09 dollars according to an online inflation calculator, and either amount is much more, of course, than the Daytons, even with the sub and amp factored in.

Now, of course, times have changed and I believe that one can get, since post 2000 if not 2005, a LOT more speaker for the money than ever before (partially due to ID stores and many smaller companies competing with the big names as well as computer modeling techniques, and better quality material for lower costs, etc.), but still, in early 90's terms, the DBX system was supposed to represent quality while the Daytons, even in today's market where great speakers cost much less retail than before, are not.

Anyway, I've heard that those Daytons are really over hyped and just not very good overall, not "giant killers" or even "entry level hi-fi" by any means. So I've never heard them, but I've heard they are decidedly low-fi with a lot of coloration and boomy mids/mid bass (probably resonance from their cheap construction). Now I'm sure many would also laugh of the DBX bookshelves as well, but, from my memory and the description of the Daytons and all of the above considered, I think you are better off with the DBX's. Jmo though, and, again, I haven't even heard the DBX's in over 10 years and have never heard the Daytons.

One more thing: I did also buy some Infinity bookshelves (for $300 in the mid 90's again!) after I got the DBX's just for a contrast, and, well, I preferred the DBX's. The Infinities, while richer and more balanced, were too colored and veiled for me; I preferred the clarity and lean/angular sound of the DBX's. I eventually replaced the DBX bookshelfs with some JBL Northridge bookshelfs in the late 90's (I don't even know what I spent on those--$250 I think--again: yikes!) because the JBL's had the same kind of analytical presentation as the DBX's but with a fuller and more detailed/refined sound with more bass (6 1/2 woofer iirc). I kept them until my late 20's until I finally decided to start getting into "hi-fi".

So keep the DBX imo, and perhaps also look at the used market for small newish (post 2000) bookshelf/standmounted speakers: Under $50 probably won't get you much, but if you go up to $100 to $150 you can get some very decent used monitors and if you got up to $200 to $300, even new much less used, I think you'd be blown away by many.
 
Thanks for the input.
This is the article that made me curious about the Daytons:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20005175-47.html

Again, I am on a very small budget and don't expect that the Daytons would be anything amazing, compared to very high end speakers. Just if they would be an improvement.

Thanks Jcricket for the input on the DBXs. Very appreciated.

If anybody else has any knowledge or opinion on either of the speakers let me know!
 
Permanent Waves,
Thank you very much for that lengthy and thoughtful reply! It is very appreciated and very helpful.

Thanks
 
Permanent Waves,
Thank you very much for that lengthy and thoughtful reply! It is very appreciated and very helpful.

Thanks


You're welcome, and I hope it wasn't too confusing! (With all the asides and longwindedness! :o :rolleyes:).

If you want I can drag up an old list of fairly cheap new speakers, but most are around $100 to $150.

Also, you certainly did the right thing by coming here (as well as any other forums) to read USER reviews. Don't get me wrong, I read pro and user reviews of gear and have bought all my stuff based off a combo of both, but user always trumps pro imo. With pro I find everything is over-hyped (for instance: "This speaker cost only blah blah but sounds like it costs 2 or 3 times as much!!!") with user, you'll get the balanced truth from those who like some gear but don't think it sounds like it costs more than what it does cost, and even some who don't like some gear and aren't afraid to say why.

Yes users, of course, have their own views/biases of what sounds good and what doesn't (many would think I'm crazy to have liked the DBX speakers over whatever model of Infinities I had for instance) that colors their perceptions, but at least the users are only biased in this way (pro reviewers are as well too of course) and not also perhaps writing up a glowing review of equipment because the manufacturer pays to advertise in their magazine or even pays them directly under the table for a great review as some have even been doing. IOW: Even if the manufacturer of audio gear is paying some "regular" people/users on audio forums to hype their gear (they do), there are going to be dozens of others who are just plain users like you and I who have no such vested interests and an accurate depiction of the overall sound and quality of gear can be winnowed from the posts of these different users. With pro reviews this is much less likely.

Also, fwiw, I wouldn't go to Cnet for advice on any audio equipment, even though I think that particular reviewer might be held in some respect on more "audiophile" sites/forums. (I've heard of the name). Look up the Daytons on user forums (including here) and see what they say. That is where I got the the general impression that they basically sound like what they cost.
 
Ftr, I just went downstairs and looked at them: they are the dbx Soundfield 3x2 LS Plus, according to the sticker on the back of the satellites.

Might have to hook them up for the hell of it later. :D
 
Ftr, I just went downstairs and looked at them: they are the dbx Soundfield 3x2 LS Plus, according to the sticker on the back of the satellites.

Might have to hook them up for the hell of it later. :D

Oh yeah?

Mine are the dbx soundfield 3x2 RS Plus. I get basically the same search results on google, when i search LS and RS. So i dont know the difference, maybe you might?

Yeah you should hook them up, just for kicks! Tell me what you think of them.
You can be honest too, i really want to know what someone with plenty of listening experience has to say.

I got them for a very low price, so i am not gonna be kicking myself if you tell me they are not so great.
 
watch for some used baby advents or AR18 speakers. I've seen both go recently on my local craigslist for under $50.
 
Ope, never mind. Checked the other speaker. LS and RS just stand for left speaker/ Right speaker. So we do have the same model.
 
Those "dBx" branded speakers were sold out of DAK catalogs in the early 90's. They really had nothing to do with the real dBx. They were mediocre to average for their time and if I had the opportunity to get something made this century, I'd go for that.

This speaker came as a "system" with a passive subwoofer of unremarkable performance. I still have these very speakers (in black) stored in my in-law's basement.
 
Those "dBx" branded speakers were sold out of DAK catalogs in the early 90's. They really had nothing to do with the real dBx. They were mediocre to average for their time and if I had the opportunity to get something made this century, I'd go for that.

This speaker came as a "system" with a passive subwoofer of unremarkable performance. I still have these very speakers (in black) stored in my in-law's basement.

Thanks Jwalker for the info. That is interesting.

K, now keeping in mind that i am on a very low budget, would these Teacs be an improvement? Does anybody know much about them?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...egory=3276&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_500wt_760

Say i could get them for $20.00. Would that be a good buy.
Remember i am just looking for a very low budget, good sounding speaker.
 
Yeah you should hook them up, just for kicks! Tell me what you think of them.
You can be honest too, i really want to know what someone with plenty of listening experience has to say.

I got them for a very low price, so i am not gonna be kicking myself if you tell me they are not so great.

Yea, I'll try to get around to it just for fun.

I paid over $400 for them in today's money and I'm sure the system isn't worth that, but that's what the prices were for audio in the early 90's, especially for a kid who didn't know what he was doing and only had a few mail order magazines (like Crutchfield and J&R) and big box stores to look for reasonably priced speakers (the hi-fi boutique stores were--and still are--wayyy too expensive/over-priced). And, imo, price/performance with speakers (and a lot of other gear) really didn't become more equatable until the last ten or even five years or so.

I really did get my money's worth out of the system in terms of enjoyment though. :music:

Ope, never mind. Checked the other speaker. LS and RS just stand for left speaker/ Right speaker. So we do have the same model.

Opps! Should of checked the other speaker! lol :stupid:

K, now keeping in mind that i am on a very low budget, would these Teacs be an improvement? Does anybody know much about them?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...egory=3276&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619#ht_500wt_760

I don't know anything about those, but they sure look nice.

Those "dBx" branded speakers were sold out of DAK catalogs in the early 90's. They really had nothing to do with the real dBx. They were mediocre to average for their time and if I had the opportunity to get something made this century, I'd go for that.

This speaker came as a "system" with a passive subwoofer of unremarkable performance. I still have these very speakers (in black) stored in my in-law's basement.

Thanks for the info! I really know little about them. DAK sounds familiar. :scratch2: I might even have an ad for them somewhere. I used to drool over it waiting for when I had saved up enough money at my part time job to buy them.

Ditto with something made this century. :yes:
 
Just popping in here Sliver to say I'm going to try to hook the satellites up this weekend just for kicks.

The sub has the back panel speaker hookup terminals missing (iirc when I built a bigger sub--with a 15" Velodyne woofer that blew down my poor parent's house lol--for use with the amp that came with the DBX system, I used it in that. sold that sub years ago.) so there is no way to hook that up easily and I will say that even from distant memory I was never too impressed with the sub.
 
Anybody here who wants to know anything about dbx speakers, please feel free to contact me via this forum or email, drmoran atsign aol dotcom. The DAK dbx-branded speaker products have NOTHING to do with the original PhD-designed dbx Soundfield line 1983-1898 --- the V and following. Subs, polypro drivers. Nothing. Not positive they were junk, but not unlikely. I have seen on the forum a photo with some dbx SF5000s oriented wrong, which defeats the purpose of having a beamforming phased array in the first place.
 
Anybody here who wants to know anything about dbx speakers, please feel free to contact me via this forum or email, drmoran atsign aol dotcom. The DAK dbx-branded speaker products have NOTHING to do with the original PhD-designed dbx Soundfield line 1983-1898 --- the V and following. Subs, polypro drivers. Nothing. Not positive they were junk, but not unlikely. I have seen on the forum a photo with some dbx SF5000s oriented wrong, which defeats the purpose of having a beamforming phased array in the first place.
david - do you, or anyone you know - have a copy of the owners manual / users guide for the SF-1 or SF-1A? I've just bought a set, and would like to see what the manual said about tweaking the sliders onthe controller.
 
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