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The turntable is a Yamaha P-751, direct drive automatic.

The project was to replace the phono leads with “better” component video cable. The phono leads are hardwired. While I am inside, I decided to dampen the plinth using plasticine (modeling clay).

The first picture shows the original phono cable wires hardwired to a circuit board.

The second picture is the new component cable and new ground wire. Note the cable, shielding and insulation are much thicker. I added the modeling clay and things seemed pretty straightforward .. until the test.

The result is hum and noise. When the direct drive motor running I hear hum and mid freq noise, like a buzz. Once the stylus drops the music is fine. Better sound than before actually. I have taken the table apart at least 10 times looking for the problem.

At first I realized I forgot the metal shielding cover that goes over the pcb that connects the phono leads. Yes, that will fix! Wrong. :no:

Next I took clay off of the transformer – that did not help. Then I took clay off of the DD motor house – that did not help. Then I did a visual and checked the grounds. Then looked for lose or broken wires and none can be seen.

After that I touched up that solder job and cleaned the connection with isopropyl – that did not help. Then I shortened the right and left channel center conductor wires, minimizing the amount of conductor wire that is not covered with the overbraid and shielding --- no help.

Before I just give up and go back to the old phono cable I am asking anyone who ever did this mod what they think? It appears I created an antenna out of my phono lead. It even causes slight interference on the nearby plasma TV – no turntable has ever done that before in my set up.

Could it be the leads are just not right for the design?

The odd thing is that it sounds good when I play a record. Unfortunately in between the songs, and while the platter is spinning with the stylus up the noise is present.


Thanks, Bob
 

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The turntable is a Yamaha P-751, direct drive automatic.

The project was to replace the phono leads with “better” component video cable. The phono leads are hardwired. While I am inside, I decided to dampen the plinth using plasticine (modeling clay).

The first picture shows the original phono cable wires hardwired to a circuit board.

The second picture is the new component cable and new ground wire. Note the cable, shielding and insulation are much thicker. I added the modeling clay and things seemed pretty straightforward .. until the test.

The result is hum and noise. When the direct drive motor running I hear hum and mid freq noise, like a buzz. Once the stylus drops the music is fine. Better sound than before actually. I have taken the table apart at least 10 times looking for the problem.

At first I realized I forgot the metal shielding cover that goes over the pcb that connects the phono leads. Yes, that will fix! Wrong. :no:

Next I took clay off of the transformer – that did not help. Then I took clay off of the DD motor house – that did not help. Then I did a visual and checked the grounds. Then looked for lose or broken wires and none can be seen.

After that I touched up that solder job and cleaned the connection with isopropyl – that did not help. Then I shortened the right and left channel center conductor wires, minimizing the amount of conductor wire that is not covered with the overbraid and shielding --- no help.

Before I just give up and go back to the old phono cable I am asking anyone who ever did this mod what they think? It appears I created an antenna out of my phono lead. It even causes slight interference on the nearby plasma TV – no turntable has ever done that before in my set up.

Could it be the leads are just not right for the design?

The odd thing is that it sounds good when I play a record. Unfortunately in between the songs, and while the platter is spinning with the stylus up the noise is present.


Thanks, Bob

Correction and new data:

The buzz is there even with the direct drive motor off. As long as the table is plugged in the buzz is present.

I touched one hand on the spindle and another hand on the ground lug of the phono stage and the buzz stops. It could be that the main TT ground is somehow not connected to the ground wire that I made. ??

I will try to fix it in a few hours.
 
I verified that the ground (earth) lead that I connected to the phono pcb does not connect to the ground lug inside the chasis.

It sure looks like it never did, even when the original phono leads were installed. Now I am wondering how this ever worked?

I am going to connect the chassis ground to the gorund on the phono pcb to see what happens.

Bob
 
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I verified that the ground (earth) lead that I connected to the phono pcb does not connect to the ground lug inside the chasis.

It sure looks like it never did, even when the original phono leads were installed. Now I am wondering how this ever worked?

I am going to connect the chassis ground to the gorund on the phono pcb to see what happens.

Bob

I fixed it!

I jadded a wire from the phono ground pcb connection to the main chassis ground and viola. :thmbsp:

I still do not know how it ever worked but logic prevails again!


This table sounds better than ever now, good back up and good automatic. I don't know what to attribute to the damping and what to the cables but the sound is nice and i like having an automatic around.

The background is quieter and there is more structure and detail.

Cost of mod ~$10 and about 8 hours, half of which was troubleshooting and testing.

cheers, Bob
 
Wow, glad to hear you got it fixed. I guess for me, that just reinforces the reason I try not to fix what isn't broken. But again, glad you got it worked out.
 
Wow, glad to hear you got it fixed. I guess for me, that just reinforces the reason I try not to fix what isn't broken. But again, glad you got it worked out.

Thanks. I was thinking the same thing for awhile. Still puzzled on how this table was grounded.

It's sounding pretty good right now.
 
Hey Bob,

Glad to hear that you've fixed the problem. Keep that Yammie spinning!:thmbsp:

Thanks Steve. I was one of those times where you walk away for awhile and then you figure it out.

Working on the speaker recap tomorrow. :thmbsp:
 
Grounding issues can be a bear. I have one that seems to be related to the interaction between my G5 Mac, the USB DAC I use to connect it to my computer and my CJ PV-12 pre. I don't get the same problem when I have the Yamaha C-4 in place of the CJ and I don't get the hum when the computer is off or the DAC unplugged. Switching around plugs improved but didn't eliminate it entirely. Not loud, but there.
 
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