New here, will this work:

[nightwing761]

Hiya Audiokarma,

I have recently gotten into playing Vinyls and have purchased a turntable. I ended up going with the Audio-Technica lp120usb. I know newer tt's get a hard time here but bare with me.

It already has a preamp (which I'll replace later for a nicer one), and right now I'm trying to get a hold of a decent receiver to run it through, and then into my speakers, these being my issue. I'm using my current PC speakers at the moment because I can't afford to buy better ones right now. My speakers are the Logitech z506 with subwoofer (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121044).

Currently I'm going from the TT to my speakers directly via RCA cables. There are RCA inputs on the back of the subwoofer that I've been using so far. I found a receiver, the Yamaha CR-820, that I'd like to run my TT through and then into my subwoofer.

My problem is I don't think my speakers can handle the power that a 620 or 820 supplies. I've been told not to use the speaker wire outputs on the receiver, but that's all I know. Will I have to just get better speakers or will this work? Thanks in advance.

TL,DR: AudioTechnica LP-120-USB --> (via rca into phono input) Yamaha Cr-820 --> (via ??? output into rca input on subwoofer) Logitech z506
Will this work or how can I modify it to work?

 

[Decibel_116]

A couple of ways you can do this. Use either the tape record out RCA jacks on the CR820 or the preamp out RCA jacks (not sure if the CR820 has these). The preamp out jacks allow the use of the CR820 volume control. If you use the tape record out jacks, you will have to use the volume control on the speakers.

 

[nightwing761]

A couple of ways you can do this. Use either the tape record out RCA jacks on the CR820 or the preamp out RCA jacks (not sure if the CR820 has these). The preamp out jacks allow the use of the CR820 volume control. If you use the tape record out jacks, you will have to use the volume control on the speakers.

I'd much prefer to be able to use the volume controls and EQ on the receiver, but I'm fearful that doing the preamp outs will blow out the speakers. Is there a good way to know if this will happen?

 

[reydelaplaya]

Welcome to the forum.

First off, from a fellow Yamaha owner, I'm sure you will be quite pleased in your 820 purchase. I have a 1020, and it's a bulletproof tank. I suspect the 820 to be very similar.

Here's a pic of the back if it so we can zone in on what Decibel_116 already explained to you. Your 820 does not have preouts, so you'll have to use the rec out RCA jacks as stated earlier.

It's the third (or first-tape2) vertical set from the right.

Hope you enjoy it, when you get it set up, share some pics. Any questions, we're here to help.

 

[reydelaplaya]

Do your speakers have a way to gumdrops without their own internal amp?

If they do, as long as you connect the speaker leads properly and are prudent with the controls on the Yamaha, you should be just fine until your speaker upgrade.

 

[Decibel_116]

The preamp output jacks are at "line" level and are very different from the speaker outputs. Do not use the speaker outputs to connect to the RCA inputs jacks on your subwoofer. You could potentially damage both the receiver and the speakers. The RCA jacks labeled preamp out are compatible with the inputs to your speakers. These jacks bypass the internal amp of the CR820. You would be effectively be using the CR820 as a preamp and using the amp in the speakers.

 

[reydelaplaya]

Here's a link to hifiengine which has details and downloadable manuals for the Yamaha.

http://www.hifiengine.com/manual_library/yamaha/cr-820.shtml

 

[Decibel_116]

Since we have now established there are no preamp out jacks, the tape rec out jacks are your remaining choice. Unfortunately, this means the tone controls will have no effect. Once you are able to procure some speakers for the CR820, you will be able to take full advantage of the great sound quality this receiver is capable of. I have it's bigger brother, the CR1020, and it has provided years of music pleasure. It's a fine receiver.

 

[nightwing761]

Since we have now established there are no preamp out jacks, the tape rec out jacks are your remaining choice. Unfortunately, this means the tone controls will have no effect. Once you are able to procure some speakers for the CR820, you will be able to take full advantage of the great sound quality this receiver is capable of. I have it's bigger brother, the CR1020, and it has provided years of music pleasure. It's a fine receiver.

Yeah that sucks. I'll probably still get the receiver since I found it for fairly cheap. Any speakers you might recommend, vintage or otherwise? If it isn't too costly I might be able to look into getting decent speakers ahead of time.

 

[reydelaplaya]

The preamp output jacks are at "line" level and are very different from the speaker outputs. Do not use the speaker outputs to connect to the RCA inputs jacks on your subwoofer. You could potentially damage both the receiver and the speakers. The RCA jacks labeled preamp out are compatible with the inputs to your speakers. These jacks bypass the internal amp of the CR820. You would be effectively be using the CR820 as a preamp and using the amp in the speakers.

As you stated earlier, the 820 doesn't have preout, so only option is the rec out.

As far as connecting the speakers, I'm not familiar with those, and wanted to know if they have standard jacks as well so they can run without their internal amps. Any ideas? Or do they only have RCA line in to force use of internal amps?

 

[reydelaplaya]

Yeah that sucks. I'll probably still get the receiver since I found it for fairly cheap. Any speakers you might recommend, vintage or otherwise? If it isn't too costly I might be able to look into getting decent speakers ahead of time.

With the 55w of power the 820 puts out, and as nice as it can sound if running properly, I'd suggest holding off on different speakers atm and just use the rec out for now. Save up a little $ while researching some nice speaker options that may not be in your budget now, but as a future upgrade.

Buying something that fits your budget now might not be as nice as what your budget could produce if you wait and buy when your budget is higher.

 

[reydelaplaya]

Do your speakers have a way to gumdrops without their own internal amp?

If they do, as long as you connect the speaker leads properly and are prudent with the controls on the Yamaha, you should be just fine until your speaker upgrade.

LOLOLOL!!! Stupid autocorrect!

*Operate*

 

[nightwing761]

With the 55w of power the 820 puts out, and as nice as it can sound if running properly, I'd suggest holding off on different speakers atm and just use the rec out for now. Save up a little $ while researching some nice speaker options that may not be in your budget now, but as a future upgrade.

Buying something that fits your budget now might not be as nice as what your budget could produce if you wait and buy when your budget is higher.

Well I might have a few options money-wise, but we'll see what happens. I'll just have to do some research. Thanks for the help!

 

[reydelaplaya]

Well I might have a few options money-wise, but we'll see what happens. I'll just have to do some research. Thanks for the help!

Well, in that case, set a dollar amount, and decide if you want new, used, or vintage. When you find something that's got your interest, run it by the folks over in the speaker forum to make sure it's not a white van special.

There are some great new speakers out there at a number of price points. Same goes for used. Vintage may be nice, but they may need work in order to get them running properly (caps, refoam surrounds, etc).

 

[Decibel_116]

Yeah that sucks. I'll probably still get the receiver since I found it for fairly cheap. Any speakers you might recommend, vintage or otherwise? If it isn't too costly I might be able to look into getting decent speakers ahead of time.

If going the vintage route, the large Advents would match well. They are sometimes referred to as "the new Advent loudspeaker" or the "A3". If you are interested, I can send you more info on them. That's what I ran for years on my Yamaha and I was very pleased.

 

[nightwing761]

If going the vintage route, the large Advents would match well. They are sometimes referred to as "the new Advent loudspeaker" or the "A3". If you are interested, I can send you more info on them. That's what I ran for years on my Yamaha and I was very pleased.

I'd definitely be interested in having a look.

 

[Designdweeb]

Where are you located?

 

[nightwing761]

Where are you located?

Ohio

 

[Designdweeb]

Out of my neighborhood but still go look around online so you can get familiar on what speaker might be fun to try. What music do you like?

 

[Van_Isle]

LOLOLOL!!! Stupid autocorrect!

*Operate*

I was more scanning the thread in anticipation of finding out what gumdrops were ... than the topic at hand! That's quite the autocorrect!

You know in the interim, one can usually find a pair of larger floor standing or bookshelf speakers from a rack-type system for $20 or $30 that would tide you over until you find a nice pair of speakers.

Mind you, I've stumbled across a couple pairs of Yamaha speakers (needing TLC) for next to nothing .. NS-670 and NS-655. And a mint pair of NS-625. Thrift shop finds and few and far between but they do pop up.

But there are so many nice vintage speakers out there ....

EPI 100's - a classic vintage speaker everyone should experience in their listening lifetime.

I haven't heard New Large Advents called 'A3' before. Seems like that would be confused with Advent/3. By the way I've had a couple pairs of Advent/1 which are very nice too ... same drivers as the NLA but smaller cabinet.

A not too expensive speaker brand that pops up and is often ignored is Realistic. There's a pair of Realistic Optimus 25 been sitting on the shelf in a local thrift shop here for about 3 weeks priced at $45. I'd snag them but I already have a pair.

My favorite speakers at the moment are some JBL L19 I got for $50 ... with relatively recent new foam surrounds. I think those might be classified both as a rare find (at that price) and a scroe.