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siddforuall

siddforuall

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I had recently bought a pair of Cerwin Vega E-315. I was so into it that the seller was selling a Sony STR DE 197 amp along with it. I bought it gladly and now I am kind of disappointed. I am not into loud music but love the clean deep bass at low volume. I have no idea what I should be looking for. I listen to Electronic, Trance, Techno, Hip hop, house & songs with deep bass. I was planning on buying an equalizer, But before I spend any more money I wanted to asks the experts for help. I am not sure if its a speaker/amp mismatch or something but I have no idea what to do further.. Any help, suggestions are greatly appreciated!!

Thanks,
Sid
 
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Well, from what Ive read about the CVs, they should be able to deliver, given a 15 in low driver. Im thinking the Sony may not be up to the task initially, but I could be wrong. l will assume youve tried the loudness button which boosts the low end for lower volumes (if its got one of those). Otoh, maybe the speakers arent very sensitive, so they have to get some wattage into them before they wake up, cant say, I dont know the specs for them.

Been reading around a little and those speakers should have no problems.Everyones had great results, but it all seemed to be loud and deep, nobody mentioned low vol and deep. Dont suppose its a placement problem? Anyway, maybe an eq is the answer, or a sub, though it would kind of hurt your feelings to go there with that much speaker in the same room.
 
cademan said:
What's the problem?
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The problem is I am not satisfied with the performance of these speakers. I should not blame them thou, But I like to listen to music on lower volume and with deep and clean bass. Which I am not able to achieve with my current setup. So I am looking forward to some suggestions!!
 
bobaloniny said:
Well, from what Ive read about the CVs, they should be able to deliver, given a 15 in low driver. Im thinking the Sony may not be up to the task initially, but I could be wrong. l will assume youve tried the loudness button which boosts the low end for lower volumes (if its got one of those). Otoh, maybe the speakers arent very sensitive, so they have to get some wattage into them before they wake up, cant say, I dont know the specs for them.

Been reading around a little and those speakers should have no problems.Everyones had great results, but it all seemed to be loud and deep, nobody mentioned low vol and deep. Dont suppose its a placement problem? Anyway, maybe an eq is the answer, or a sub, though it would kind of hurt your feelings to go there with that much speaker in the same room.
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Thank you for you patience.. I have read about those speakers all along & love them, But jus not satisfied. So When you said Sony may not up to task initially what did you actually mean? And yes, I have tried bass boost button. Its always ON lol...!!
So if the speakers are not sensitive? Whats is the solution? Is it possible to deliver wattage at lower volume also?
When you said placement issue? They sit in my room which is about 10X30.. How should i be calculating an ideal place to set em up?
Sub would be out of question as I had an option to get some 2.1 or 5.1 some something like that but I wanted a true stereo experience.. thts why I chose to get Cv's..
Sorry for my ignorance...I am totally new to this..
Thanks!!
 
What are you using as a source? CD? Radio? MP3? CV's are known as party speakers, and may not like being played low. That is just my opinion of course :)
 
kermit z said:
What are you using as a source? CD? Radio? MP3? CV's are known as party speakers, and may not like being played low. That is just my opinion of course :)
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Amp has a tuner.. Early mornings its Radio which is played and usually i play music from my laptop... If I cant play it low I am disappointed :tears:
 
If you are talking bass on a (and I mean no disrespect because I like those speakers) pedestrian stereo system, you have the setup. At low (I mean low) volumes you may not have bass but with that setup rattling your windows should be a common occurrence. Those are house shakers. Those paper cone Vegas are boomy.

My simple recomendation is if you want MORE bass you should get a subwoofer, even a less expensive Polk or JBL with a 10" or larger driver and 150 or more watts should suffice.

But, it sounds like even though you are a bit of a bass head (I am too my love is punk but I love old school rap) try adding a pair of speakers that offer tighter bass like Polk monitor 50's,60's or 70's or add a mid level sealed box powered sub like an older Paradigm like the ones you see on Ebay for @ $100. That will offer some nice tight bass at low volumes with the phase and crossover controls that other subs in that price range don't offer.

But as far as some kicking bass you have a decent setup. I am not the worlds biggest fan of Sony gear, but that unit has a claimed 100 watts per channel and I know I had the CV 312's and an 85 WPC Pioneer AVR as a kid and the police often paid a visit when mom was at work.

One last suggestion, in high school my buddy had the same setup as myself, the $160 at the time pioneer 5.1 AVR and the Vegas with the 12's (312) and he replaced the woofers with JL audio W0 8 ohm subs. It had amazing SPL for a low priced home setup. It was hard to breath or swallow your drink in his living room. As far as sound quality, well, back then it didn't matter but the bass was JL audio smooth (if you have heard them in a car or their high end home gear you know what I mean). They no longer make W0 subs but they are around if you look.
 
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If you are talking bass on a (and I mean no disrespect because I like those speakers) pedestrian stereo system, you have the setup. At low (I mean low) volumes you may not have bass but with that setup rattling your windows should be a common occurrence. Those are house shakers. Those paper cone Vegas are boomy.

My simple recomendation is if you want MORE bass you should get a subwoofer, even a less expensive Polk or JBL with a 10" or larger driver and 150 or more watts should suffice.

But, it sounds like even though you are a bit of a bass head (I am too my love is punk but I love old school rap) try adding a pair of speakers that offer tighter bass like Polk monitor 50's,60's or 70's or add a mid level sealed box powered sub like an older Paradigm like the ones you see on Ebay for @ $100. That will offer some nice tight bass at low volumes with the phase and crossover controls that other subs in that price range don't offer.

But as far as some kicking bass you have a decent setup. I am not the worlds biggest fan of Sony gear, but that unit has a claimed 100 watts per channel and I know I had the CV 312's and an 85 WPC Pioneer AVR as a kid and the police often paid a visit when mom was at work.

One last suggestion, in high school my buddy had the same setup as myself, the $160 at the time pioneer 5.1 AVR and the Vegas with the 12's (312) and he replaced the woofers with JL audio W0 8 ohm subs. It had amazing SPL for a low priced home setup. It was hard to breath or swallow your drink in his living room. As far as sound quality, well, back then it didn't matter but the bass was JL audio smooth (if you have heard them in a car or their high end home gear you know what I mean). They no longer make W0 subs but they are around if you look.
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I think you exactly know what is my setup..And from your suggestion Adding a sub is most likely the easiest way to get more bass out of the system..

This raises another question to me...
If i get another amplifier with higher wattage and hook it up to my system.Will I be able to achieve bass at low volume? I am planning on getting an equalizer for sure now after all the suggestions.
 
I would sell the Sony and buy something in separates with at least 150-200 watts per channel, sounds like your cerwin vegas just need a little more power than the Sony is able to provide.
 
Hi,

Power has nothing to do with bass at low volume and won't help.

What does the "BASS BOOST" button on the receiver do ?
Low level is the situation you should use it.
Does the bass EQ knob not help either ?

How would plan on incoparating an EQ ? In the tape loop ?
Is that spare ? A simple passive EQ might work here.

rgds, sreten.
 
sreten said:
Hi,

Power has nothing to do with bass at low volume and won't help.

What does the "BASS BOOST" button on the receiver do ?
Low level is the situation you should use it.
Does the bass EQ knob not help either ?

How would plan on incoparating an EQ ? In the tape loop ?
Is that spare ? A simple passive EQ might work here.

rgds, sreten.
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Bass boost button enhances low frequencies and I use it all the time. Yes, I am planning to buy a equalizer and use it before Amp to enhance audio quality. What is difference between an Equalizer Vs Passive Equalizer Vs Active Equalizer??

Thank you
Sid
 
theebadone said:
I would sell the Sony and buy something in separates with at least 150-200 watts per channel, sounds like your cerwin vegas just need a little more power than the Sony is able to provide.
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So you suggest something which can do like 150 - 200 RMS per channel? Any suggestions?

Sid
 
Are the speakers plugged "in phase"? If one speaker is connected inverted to the other, bass and mids will cancel themselves out.
 
mrb3 said:
Are the speakers plugged "in phase"? If one speaker is connected inverted to the other, bass and mids will cancel themselves out.
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How do ti check if they are in phase? all I did was to match up red and blacks on the AMP and speakers!!

Sid
 
siddforuall said:
How do ti check if they are in phase? all I did was to match up red and blacks on the AMP and speakers!!

Sid
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Your speakers are attached correctly.
I am not familiar with your amp or speakers, but if those speakers are capable of the low bass you are looking for, then your choices would be a different amp with better bass output or an EQ.
More power, ie a different amp, unless it plays better bass, wil not solve your problem, IMO.
 
Keep an eye on your local craigslist, something by pioneer, sansui, kenwood, marantz, and a host of other makers. When you find something in your budget research it here. you want specs with 20-20k hz. high damping factor, and as many clean watts as you can find. Good Luck.
 
Thank you all for the suggestions.. I am definitely on a learning curve..
I found an Pioneer SA-9900 amp for 150 bucks on CL. Here are the specs this amp claim

Circuitry: 2-stage differential amplifiers
Power output: 120watts per channel (8 ohms)
Total harmonic distortion: no more than 0.1%
Frequency response: 10Hz to 80kHz
Damping factor: 30
Hum and noise: 110dB
 
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