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NYC-Iridium, Where Rock and Jazz Collide

Quagh

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So after checking out the below article, I actually have been drifting more towards jazz at the age of 50. (being a 60's/70's kid) I typically am more Ted Nugent/Bad Co, etc but have always liked Miles, Patricia Barber, Etta James, etc. What say you all?
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Jazz Guitar Shrine Expands Beyond Jazz to Survive
By JAMES C. McKINLEY Jr.
Published: November 11, 2011

For years the Iridium has been known as not only the home of Les Paul, the electric-guitar pioneer, but also as one of the city’s premier jazz clubs, where on any given night you can hear big-name performers like the pianist McCoy Tyner or the bassist Charlie Haden.

But these days its calendar is full of guitarists from the worlds of rock, blues and pop, as the owner tries to transform the Iridium into a guitar Mecca, a shrine of sorts to Paul, who died in August 2009. Take the October lineup: It included jazz musicians like the guitarist Stanley Jordan and the saxophonist Richie Cole, as well as rock guitarists like Robby Krieger, formerly of the Doors; Adrian Belew, of King Crimson fame; and Marshall Crenshaw, who wrote the pop hit “Someday, Someway.”

On tap for this month are the jazz trumpeter Arturo Sandoval, as well as veteran rockers like Albert and Joe Bouchard of Blue Oyster Cult and younger rock musicians like Devon Allman and his group, Honeytribe.

“What do you do when you lose Les Paul?” the owner, Ron Sturm, said in an interview at the club, at Broadway and 51st Street. “Do you go out of business? How do you adapt to change?”

His answer is to lure more rock and blues fans — especially guitar aficionados in their 40s and 50s — who might be open to expanding their tastes to jazz or jazz-rock.

“I want to turn them on to jazz and to turn them on to rock,” Mr. Sturm said, “and the fact I’m doing rock is good for jazz, because I’m bringing in people who normally wouldn’t be there.”

These are difficult times for jazz clubs, as shrinking audiences and an aging clientele make it harder to stay in business. The steps the Iridium has taken mirror the moves that jazz labels like Verve and Blue Note have made over the last decade to remain profitable, putting more pop musicians on their rosters to subsidize jazz recordings.

The club started booking more guitarists and pop musicians a year ago and has gradually included more of them in its lineup. The shift became more pronounced this summer, and now about half the musicians playing the Iridium come from rock, blues and pop backgrounds.

Mr. Sturm has also tried to turn his club into a recording studio, installing a state-of-the-art mixing board and digital recording system beside the stage. Like the owners of a few other jazz clubs, he has plans to start a label, archive performances, produce live albums and offer patrons a chance to buy a compact disc of the show they just watched.

The club’s new emphasis becomes obvious from the moment you walk in. A score of electric guitars are displayed on the walls, some in glass cases, all signed by famous musicians: Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Tom Petty, Steve Miller.

The strategy seems to be paying off, and revenues are up, Mr. Sturm said, declining to give details. The club has been packed for performances in recent months by rockers like Ted Nugent and Nels Cline of Wilco, as well as for a reunion of King Crimson players and a night devoted to Frank Zappa’s music.

“It’s more eclectic now,” said one longtime patron, Nelson Onofre, before a recent show by a blues band, the Nighthawks. “You have the purists that want this to remain a jazz-only club, but I have been here on nights when it was jazz only, and the place is half-empty. It’s still a business. They can get a guy like Ted Nugent and pack them in the place.”

Greg Deller, a former music executive, was also at the Nighthawks show. He said he remembered the Iridium fondly as a jazz club but was not troubled that it had diversified. “Why not?” he said, as the band started playing a country blues song. “To me it’s all related.”

Mr. Sturm said rock and pop musicians welcomed the chance to play the club, since many of them revere Paul as the man who electrified the guitar. He knows jazz purists might be turned off by the mixing of genres, but he sees such concerns as counterproductive. The audience for jazz is small, and a strict definition of jazz only excludes new listeners, he said.

“Jazz has always been conservative,” Mr. Sturm said. “You have people say this is jazz, and this is not jazz. You build up these walls and guess what? There is no audience left.”

The new booking policy often includes thematic shows. Mr. Crenshaw, 57, who has been a Les Paul fan since he was a teenager and found a 78 of two of that jazzman’s singles in the garbage, recently completed three nights at the club in a tribute to famous musicians who had adopted the Gibson Les Paul guitar, like the bluesman Freddie King and the 1950s R&B and jazz artist Mickey Baker. He performed two nights with the Les Paul Trio and a wealth of guests, including the keyboardist with the E Street Band, Charlie Giordano, and the guitarist Steuart Smith of the Eagles.

“I’ve been a rock ’n’ roll musician all my life but I have loved jazz most of my life too,” Mr. Crenshaw said. “I’m not crossing over to that world — that will never happen — but it’s an honor to take this little step over to that side.”

The genre mixing can make for surprising music. On a recent night the Les Paul trio — the guitarist Lou Pallo, the bassist Nicki Parrott and the pianist John Colianni — played a set of jazz standards like “All of Me” and “Blue Skies.” John Oates, half of the duo Hall and Oates, then came out and lent his finger-picking blues guitar sound, covering Lightning Hopkins, Jimmy Rogers, Curtis Mayfield and Dave Van Ronk. Later in the night Steve Miller sat in with the band.

“It’s not really jazz that we’re doing, but what’s the difference?” Mr. Pallo said. “It’s still good music.”

Mr. Colianni said the sets with pop and rock musicians continue a trend that started when Paul was alive, and guitarists would show up and ask to sit in.

“It was a pilgrimage,” he said. “All these guitar guys worship him. And the room represents a challenge. It’s a jazz room. That makes them want to have the credibility and prestige of having played a jazz room.”

NYTimes, Iridium Link
 
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Yeah the jazz population is aging. Jazz and Rock need not collide.....let's say intersect.
 
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They've collided before, to good effect.

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They've collided before, to good effect.

Those were all Jazz or and Classically trained Musicians creating a "New Direction" music.


Sounds like a Hard Rock Cafe cough cough.

"A score of electric guitars are displayed on the walls, some in glass cases, all signed by famous musicians: Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, Tom Petty, Steve Miller."

They have cheap signed MIM Strats hanging on the wall to impress the tourists?
 
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gotta do what ya gotta do to survive. Most of the jazz music clubs in DC have blues acts play. I get bored listening to jazz for more than an hour or so anyway.
 
I get bored listening to jazz for more than an hour or so anyway.

Why? Not enough nursery rhyme choruses, sorry, hooks? In an age overflowing with vapid music, and "real" music fans demanding something truthful and soulful, jazz is one of the few genres which really delivers.
 
Why? Not enough nursery rhyme choruses, sorry, hooks? In an age overflowing with vapid music, and "real" music fans demanding something truthful and soulful, jazz is one of the few genres which really delivers.

it delivers different things for different people. For me it's...."restful".
I like blues more than jazz and bourbon more than scotch. We all have our favorites.
 
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it delivers different things for different people. For me it's...."restful".
I like blues more than jazz and bourbon more than scotch. We all have our favorites.

Yes we do, but this conversation is not about personal taste is it. Infact I think your original comment regarding a short attention span is reflective of many others, and rather sums up why music like jazz is suffering today. If this was about your tastes I would not have bothered to comment, but I think you were implying that since you don't care for jazz, it's demise is of no importance. That's the wrong approach since jazz influences and informs so many varieties of genre. I don't fault a club owner for expanding their roster, but I don't feel it should be shrugged off either. It's a sign of the times, and if you ask me, not a good one.
 
. It's a sign of the times, and if you ask me, not a good one.

you're correct, my remark about boredom was uncalled for. Please accept my apology.
Times do change and you have to cater to those of us with short attention spans. Or go bye-bye. Most of the venues where I have seen more than 1,000 live shows over the years have come and gone.
 
I have experienced the gentrification of night clubs & music first hand living in the heart of the city for most of my life when in fact Chicago was a music town and even more specifically a so called "blues town". The city of "big shoulders" changed hands and the yuppies/suburbanites moved in. The club owners made huge profits (as the city inflated taxes) catering to this "new urban crowd" with their BMW's, Hummers & Range Rovers, instead of the old hippie, poets, artists & music loving crowd that were pushed out of the neighborhoods by inflated housing costs. The sports bar displaced all of the corner taverns and made a TV playing sports mandatory even in blues clubs to cater to the Bud-Light invaders. The above story is no surprise to me. BUT, it a matter of economics for business now, not a labor of love like it was so many years ago.

Banana Republic, Subway Subs & Blues/Jazz clubs is where it's at these days and I distance myself completely!
 
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Banana Republic, Subway Subs & Blues/Jazz clubs is where it's at these days and I distance myself completely!

Right on, tell it like it is. :thmbsp: I've been kinda growing into jazz for awhile myself, but if it turns into the next big thing, that'll just turn me OFF of it, most likely. :scratch2: I've said it before, with all the wide open space left in America to build up, why do these jackass yuppies think they need to change what's already here? They're not improving anything, they're just destroying a big part of history. :thumbsdn:
 
I have no problem with Iridium adding blues/rock players to their roster, they have to do whatever is needed to survive. The Iridium is a small nightclub, & I think the performers who play there enjoy the more intimate setting. I got the chance to talk to Alan Holdsworth before & after a show there. It's not like someone is going to blow off pyrotechnics during the guitar solo or something.
There are only a handful of jazz showcases left in NYC, Blue Note, Village Vanguard, Birdland & Iridium and a few others. Too many great places have closed, Sweet Basil, Seventh Avenue South, Condon's, in addition to the Bottom Line & Tramp's which both featured jazz players as well as rock acts. If they can pay the rent and keep this place afloat, more power to them. Live music is where it's at. :music:
 
I have no problem with Iridium adding blues/rock players to their roster, they have to do whatever is needed to survive. The Iridium is a small nightclub, & I think the performers who play there enjoy the more intimate setting. I got the chance to talk to Alan Holdsworth before & after a show there. It's not like someone is going to blow off pyrotechnics during the guitar solo or something.
There are only a handful of jazz showcases left in NYC, Blue Note, Village Vanguard, Birdland & Iridium and a few others. Too many great places have closed, Sweet Basil, Seventh Avenue South, Condon's, in addition to the Bottom Line & Tramp's which both featured jazz players as well as rock acts. If they can pay the rent and keep this place afloat, more power to them. Live music is where it's at. :music:

I have to agree. Sweet Basil was my favorite, and a regular haunt of mine numerous times a week in the mid to late seventies, and will forever be the perfect image of a jazz club in my mind.
 
I had seen Les Paul back when he played at Ruby Tuesdays prior to Iridium. Recently Lou Pallo invited me to a closed pre-screening of his tribute to Les Paul at the Iridium. (I'll make a separate post about this.)
The place does attract a wide range of talent and is small enough to be cozy without being too claustrophobic. After the screening Kazumi Watanabe joined the Les Paul Trio. Kazumi is probably known best for his jazz/fusion work but has explored all over the place. Wonderful sound I might add as well. The Iridium artists tend to run the gamut and not be solely jazz oriented, but I like what they are doing. Oh since a thought here is about jazz: If you like jazz piano, the piano player for the Les Paul trio kicks ass, John Colianni.
 
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