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OFFICIAL. Official Winter Storm Grayson/Brody/"Bombogenesis" thread.

savatage1973 said:
You East Coast pussies--try the lake effect snow belt where I live. 4-5' of snow in my yard and sub-freezing (sub-zero at night) temps with no relief in sight for at least another week. Over 7' of snow in areas just north of me.
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I had once asked where in NW PA....I have a house in the forest east of clarion. anyways, was up erie last weekend, from meadville north the ground snow increased 1 inch per mile and when you cross over the cap north of waterford and descend into erie, you get about 6-8 inches per 100' of drop. we didnt get to presqueisle, never went more north than 'mi scuzis' restaurant and there they had 3.5-4' with car lumps on the street, but the road crews are adults up there and the rav pulled right thru the 4-6 inches residual from the weekend flurry...

edited to add: they say erie is skimming over now, which will effectively shut off the snow for the rest of the winter...
 
quaddriver said:
I had once asked where in NW PA
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North and West of the State Gamelands between 97 and 19--middle of nowhere--out in the stix

quaddriver said:
they say erie is skimming over now, which will effectively shut off the snow for the rest of the winter...
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YUP--that's the key--as soon as the lake freezes over, the snow will stop (or at least seriously slow down)--it's the early part of the season that is the worst.
 
39cross said:
OK, I'll confess to being a crotchety old feller. I don't understand the madness that descends on the masses on account of a one day storm.
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Shominy said:
This, coupled with an alarmist personality explosion and the media whip-up, ripe for these types,... well...
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Yep, the media. The same asshats who decided we needed to "name" our winter storms. We occasionally get that mass hysteria here also, with people making a run on the stores, yet the storms often don't amount to anything and people are back to work the following day, the main roads mostly cleared and the side streets well on their way to being plowed. I don't get that hoarder mentality. Stores are just fine a day or two after the storm. Like @quaddriver said earlier, this isn't the 50s or 60s.

quaddriver said:
I lived in waterbury/danbury from 87-93 and there was a sane meteorolgist on WVIT hartford (NBC) named Brad Field who had an unusually rational take on this. ........... coincidentally, his forecasts always had the LEAST amount of snow AND, ended up being the most accurate.
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Not surprising. Sometimes even the stodgy old National Weather Service has the most restrained of forecasts, and often ends up being closer to reality than the hyped-up bullshyte of media organizations like AccuWeather (who I have found have far and away the least accurate forecasts for our area).
 
quaddriver said:
... edited to add: they say erie is skimming over now, which will effectively shut off the snow for the rest of the winter...
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savatage1973 said:
YUP--that's the key--as soon as the lake freezes over, the snow will stop (or at least seriously slow down)--it's the early part of the season that is the worst.
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Gotcha.
Shominy said:
... We'll get some residual from it as the vortex pulls air across the Lake. Problem is, it's significantly frozen and we can't get a large dump like we did last month.
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Snowed moderate to heavy in North Central MA yesterday, I would guess 10" - 12" here. Late afternoon wind came up like freight train and has been like that on and off since. Between dreading and looking-forward to going out shortly to clean up the minor drifting.

Been through this for years, just not a big deal, in fact what winter is "supposed" to be...but listening to all the Boston TV stations, we were all about to die ...
 
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Everyone who is confused by the hoarder mentality obviously forgets the history of it all.

This all started with the blizzard of 78'. After that everyone is scared just in case. That was a big shock that people don't forget, including me and I was 5 going on 6 yrs old. I make fun of it, but always grab a little extra when it's a real storm like this one. For me a real storm is a fairly serious nor'easter type coming off the water. Or very serious coming over land. But they're usually not the issue.

To think that can't happen again with the clowns running the government to me is playing with fire. And besides. It's not like you can't freeze bread. Or eat lots of cereal to use up the milk. LOL

I'm glad to see we're all still here to complain about it though. Now I'm off to brave the cold tonight. I have to work this evening, and I'll be out and about in this crap for a few hours. It's really starting to affect my attitude. I normally like going to work. Could we get a few decent days in a row? Nope I guess not. smh
 
Yea my prescription for that is to do what I do. And not watch TV at all. Except for streaming some SciFi I like. I avoid it as much as possible. Well I also watch the Patriots occasionally. But I end up hearing the games on the radio more often. I don't like being talked to like an idiot. And the longer you stay away from the news. The more you notice they do this when you finally do catch it. It's really annoying.
 
In DC it's 15 degrees and windy. LAst night in Sterling it got down to 6 degrees and REALLY WINDY. I noticed that Horseshoe curve near Altoona PA just keeps snowing.
 
Hard to believe the blizzard of '78 will be 40 years in the rear-view mirror in a month and change.

While it's not perfect, forecasting has come a long way. The good side of that is we won't get blind sided by powerful storms (ala hurricane of 1938), but the down side is the hype machine.
 
I'm not so sure about that. Have you ever read anything about our weather reporting on this country. It's way underfunded, and well behind the times. Why do you think they get it wrong so often. In Europe they have much better supercomputers, and spend much more money. They also do a much better job. I have very little faith in weather reporting here myself. Yes it's better then the past, but it's at least 5 to 10 years behind where it should be, and with the dramatic advancements in computing over the past decade. That's a huge problem.
 
When this hit,I ended up living in my basement washroom (smallest room in the house that I could close off completely and still lie down in) for two weeks.Luckily,I was a bachelor at the time,so I had shitloads of canned goods,booze and smokes.I ran off to the store for a big jug of fuel for my old Kero-sun (only used for warming food and occasionally my feet) a huge box of candles for ''heating'' and batteries for my radio before they were sold out. Frankly,it was one of the nicest and quietest vacations that I have ever had.Lots of time to catch up on my technical journals and reading :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1998_North_American_ice_storm
 
amb3cog said:
I'm not so sure about that. Have you ever read anything about our weather reporting on this country. It's way underfunded, and well behind the times. Why do you think they get it wrong so often. In Europe they have much better supercomputers, and spend much more money. They also do a much better job. I have very little faith in weather reporting here myself. Yes it's better then the past, but it's at least 5 to 10 years behind where it should be, and with the dramatic advancements in computing over the past decade. That's a huge problem.
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Well I don't doubt that the NWS is underfunded, but I think they do a remarkable job considering what they used to have to work with. As for the models, they have access to the same data models as the Europeans do, as the models look at the global picture. It is all what area the forecasters are wanting to look at as they are local and all models have to be scrutinized, often averaged out, tossing the outliers out. And yet with the shear number of variables (and this varies from region to region) to contend with they do work better than now than ever before.

My area of SE Alaska, is full of steep mountains, carved up into fjords and I can't imagine a more difficult region to predict weather, with the "Mother of Storms" in the Bering Sea pitching one storm after another at us, and with the coast mountains blocking some, predicting which passes it will come in from, whether it will be rain, or a couple degrees colder and all snow. All that and the Arctic high always trying to bring down the cold. Yet they still do a mostly accurate job, using probably a half dozen different models, including the European and Canadian. Weather data is usually not property but free to all to access...

Here is a very amazing world view of what is occurring at the various elevations with live data. Set the elevation from surface on up, and move the map to anywhere on the globe. The height is measured by pressure in hPa and I believe 850hPa is considered about 5000 feet but of course variable. Click on the "Earth" button to access the controls.

Earth a live data global map of wind weather and ocean conditions
 
Once again , it was The Storm That Wasn't. My area (West coast of Penobscot Bay) was supposed to get hammered but... not. Took me 25 minutes to snowblow out before going to work. I'll take a Bombogenesis like that any day of the week.
 
2.6 inches of snow in New Castle County Delaware and schools have been closed for 2 days. Most of my neighbors have not gone to work for 2 days.
 
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From what I read. We don't have access to the same stuff. We have to pay big money for it if we want it. And we don't have the money. So we don't do that.

Just look at all the storms lately. All the warnings get it close, but not exact. Like the guy above saying how they were supposed to get hammered, and they didn't. From what I read the capability is there, but we don't get it, because of lack of funding.

It's becoming quite an issue, and it's costing some industries big money right now. I'm at work so I can't look it up right now. But it's a real thing I promise you. After work I'll try to find it.
 
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