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Ohm Walsh 2 recap

I intend to Gary - these have been family owned since new, and so I know nearly all the history about them, and I know that they have a very unique sound to them. As for gluing them, I plan on using Loc-Tite Power Grab, which,from what I've been told, retracts on itself as it cures, which should eliminate the need for clamps. Besides, I really dont have any way to clamp them on while the glue cures...I just get to slowly do them one at a time.

I really don't know what to do at this juncture, as my knowledge of capacitors and the like of this age is pretty limited, so I'm hoping that someone will stumble across this thread and shed some light on it.

I find that I have a hard time believing that this is a 20% tolerance cap - that is a huge swing, but the 2.2uf value would make sense with the switch controls on the bottom of the Ohm (in conjunction with the 4.7uf cap). I am going to talk with Dad a bit more and see if there isn't anything we can figure out. I simply cannot afford to replace these crossovers through Ohm at this time.



-Jason
 
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Well, here is the break I've needed!

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As you can see, they changed the crossover a little bit. Instead of having both a 250uf and a 500uf wired in parallel, they instead replaced it with a single 750uf 50v.

Another change is the capacitor that I've been having difficulties getting correctly identified. My suspicions were correct; it is a 2.2uf 250v ceramic capacitor, so now that I know the missing link, I can put in a nice Jantzen cap to replace it, as it's value is beginning to drift. I know that it is very hard to read, but with the zoom option on that "auction site" (which is where this pic is from), I could make out the values.

I tried to look on parts-express to see if they have a 750uf 100v to replace the pair that are on there now, but no such luck. I would prefer to maintain the same capacitor manufacturers for the woofer, so I will keep the original configuration.

If anyone has any advice that they want to chime in about the capacitor, please feel free - I would prefer not to make any mistakes on the project.



-Jason
 
I've already done the ordering, and the Ohm's should have arrived at the Ohm Factory today, so hopefully the work will be over soon so I can start listening to them!

Final capacitor choices:

500uf 100v Non-polarized electrolytic 5% tolerance
250uf 100v Non-polarized electrolytic 5% tolerance
125uf 100v Non-polarized electrolytic 5% tolerance

4.7uf 400v Jantzen Z-Standard 5% tolerance
2.2uf 400v Jantzen Z-Standard 5% tolerance

Both of the Jantzen caps are a metallized polypropylene and are also non-polarized, which should ensure may years of trouble free service.

The 2.2uf replaces the original ceramic capacitor that was broken, which has proven to be irreplaceable - should make a suitable substitute.
 
Why does that not surprise me?

You know, I can understand why they don't give that kind of information out; it's business for them. To be honest, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. As long as I can (and I did) figure out the crossover myself, then there is nothing to worry about.

However, I have no issues sending the drivers into Ohm, as I didn't want to mess with them myself. I talked with someone at Midwest Speaker here in MN, and they were going to just simply replace the cone part of the driver with another one, which is the biggest reason as to why I decided to send them into Ohm-these drivers are made a specific reason, and in a specific way. You don't put in an exact replacement, you run the risk of changing the way the entire thing sounds, and that was something I wasn't willing to risk.
 
This is awesome, my wife just picked up a set of these yesterday to give me something to tinker with this winter! $12 bucks, and now I've got an example to follow!
 
Glad I could help. I was looking for a thread on how to do this, but it would seem that many people are a little concerned about venturing into the unknown to be willing to dig into the Walsh speakers due to their "unique" build design. They really aren't that hard to work on, you just gotta have patience...lots and lots of patience. Like I said in a previous post, taking the crossover board out is one of the most difficult things to do, as it is not only glued to the bottom, but they stapled it as well. The best advice I can give is that you check everything very carefully and understand how to take it apart before you do.

Just to let everyone that doesn't already know, John Strohbeen does offer a price cut for AK members who wish to have their Ohms repaired. All you have to do is call and talk to him (he is typically the one who answers the phone at Ohm), and let him know what services you wish to have done, and just ask him what your discount is as an AK member.

John has a very large wealth on all the Ohm speakers, and I have called him several times with questions, and he is always very helpful. I would recommend fellow Ohm owners to talk with him with any questions that they might have about their speakers.



-Jason
 
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I'll start a new thread when I dive into them. They sound great just on casual setup already though.
 
The cabinets, crossovers and bases are finished (thanks to Dad's patience). Now we're just patiently waiting for the repaired cans to return from Ohm which may take a bit longer because of Sandy's devistation out east.

Due in part that I was the original owner of these speakers up until '92 I decided to put the time into repairing/updating these unique speakers for my kid. A very interesting journey to say in the least, alot of head scratchin along the way and an edgamakashun at the end of it all. I know if I ever work another pair of Walsh2s it will be a much smoother process. These may not be the "best" speakers known to man but they are enjoyable to listen to; I got 8 years of use perhaps the kid will get many more years of enjoyment from them. Basically the cabinets were completely gutted down to the port tubes, a couple of feet reattached and the rest rebuilt with only minimal changes to the original design (not so much hot glue), the base design and construction were performed by myself. Tried to take as detailed pics of the process along the way which Jason said he will post soon with more detail descriptions.

Hope you enjoy the rest of the story.
 
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The hot glue is a disaster. I'll bet it was fun dealing with that stuff.

I agree completely with your assessment sound wise. Wish I would have kept the pair I had.

Let's see some pictures Jason. I want to see your Dads creative work.
 
It's been fascinating to follow this saga. Just took delivery of a pair of Ohm Walsh 2XOs to join my pair of original 2s, only to find that UPS had trashed one (shocking, I know)--needs a new mounting board & tweeter repair. I didn't know about the AK discount. Thanks for that info!!

I agree with your assessment of the sound, but you may understate Ohm's accomplishment with these speakers (and I've been told & read--but unfortunately not heard--that succeeding generations consistently improved upon it). They are more than adequate in neutrality, accuracy, and bass extension. But what they do well, they do better than anything else (without spending crazy amounts of money). I still marvel at their extraordinary imaging and sound staging from almost anywhere in the room. A modest trade off is in precision of image. There are innumerable speakers that are more precise; none can do what they do anywhere near their price point. What I value greatly is that these are speakers made for people who not only love their music, but who also want it integrated into their real lives. You're not shackled to a listening chair. You can move around without collapsing sound quality. And listening is a less (borderline) anti-social activity; it can be a--gasp--shared experience.

The big trade off is in microdynamics at low volume. The Ohm Walshes like to be played pretty loud before showing their potential. This might lead to some . . . uhm . . . relationship issues. (;-). On the other hand, my wife really likes the way the Ohms look. They passed the WAF test while my Monitor Audio S2s, with exceptional eye candy cabinetry, didn't. Go figure. Enjoy!
 
As promised to Dad for all of his hard work, here are the pictures that were taken along the way. This turned out to be a much more labor intensive project than either one of us anticipated, but the visual results were well worth it.



This is a picture of one of the crossovers before the caps were replaced:

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This is a picture of one of the crossovers after all the work was done. Note all of the nice bending Dad did on the point-to-point work. We considered it to be such a shame to hide this work inside the cabinet, but oh well:

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This picture is a before and after replacement of the speaker post on the crossover board. We never really liked the spring loaded clips, and these binding post from Parts Express were exactly the same size, and of a much better build quality:

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This is a shot of the custom built bases that Dad made for the Walsh's. 1 1/8" thick particle board with a black laminate. We also thought that it would be a better idea to have a binding post on the back of the base to connect the speaker cable. This way, should they ever need to have a longer run of cable, or need to be moved, it would be easier to do. They also have fittings on the bottom for spikes. We didn't take any pictures of those, but I'm sure if I ever live in a place where these speakers would be on a carpeted floor, they will most certainly be used:

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This is a nudie shot of the cabinet. Dad decided that the entire inside should be gutted, save for the port tube, and start over from scratch:

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These are the original horizontal braces that supported the sides of the cabinet. Originally, we were going to reuse these, but after realizing that they were rough cut, cut unevenly, and the considerable effort it would have taken to remove the hot melt, Dad decided to just cut new ones and start over:

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These are the replacements. Dad went with pocket screws to secure them to the sides of the cabinet, with a single line of hot melt to prevent them from potentially rattling against the cabinet wall, as well as the unlikely scenario of the pocket screws from coming loose:

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This is a comparison shot of the vertical braces. The one on the left is the replacement, while the one on the right is the original. It wasn't really supporting anything (the hot melt had come loose), and well, as all of the other ones were being replaced, why not replace this one?:

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This is how nice a Freud Diablo blade can cut. The board on the left is the original brace, and the right one is it's replacement:

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This is a picture of the crossover and the vertical brace in the cabinet. We decided not to use hot melt to secure the crossover in the cabinet, but rather 5/8" screws with washers. Dad used a closed cell foam around the opening on the bottom of the cabinet (where the binding posts are) to keep the crossover board from rattling in the cabinet:

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If you have been following this thread, then you have seen the picture of the original sound insulation that was in this cabinet. Rather than have one layer of fiberglass insulation, there are several layers. This layer dampens the bottom of the cabinet:

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This is the second layer of insulation. I took and cut a 10" X 10" square of R-11 and split into two pieces, so it was half as thick, with the third layer going on top of the braces. Also note how nicely the braces mate with the inner cabinet walls. Also note how the top surface of the cabinets looks, as this was sanded down and repainted (you'll see the new finish in a couple of pictures):

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This is a shot of the tops of the cabinets sanded down for painting-and Trixie, the shop mascot:

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This is a picture of one after the paint dried:

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This is a close-up shot of the binding post after the bases were attached:

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I'm only allowed 15 images per post, so here is the final picture, which is of the finished product (less the cans)!:

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These was a large investment of time and labor on Dad's part, and I couldn't be more thrilled at the quality of work. These turned out even better than I could have imagined, and I can only hope that they sound as beautiful as they look.

Dad and I also washed the outside of the cabinets (the previous owner smoked around them for many years), as they had a nasty film, and just generally looked dingy. They were then coated with Aulwood (yes, it's spelled correctly) to give them a natural sheen and a bit of it's original golden tone. The speaker grilles were repaired by me, and will most likely be replaced with black ones here in the near future to keep up with the bases, as we both thought that the brown ones looked out of place with the rest of the speaker.

So, thanks goes out to my dad (a_retent) for all of his hard work and dedication for getting these done for me. This project came hot on the heels of the KLH Model 20's that him and I just restored as well.



-Jason
 
Now, if only the drivers would get back from Ohm within the next two weeks...that would be awesome!



-Jason
 
Those look great! Love the look with bases.

How the heck did you get the drill in there to drive the pocket screws?

Full report when the drivers arrive and break in please.
 
Trade secret. Took Dad quite a bit of patience to get them in right.
 
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Thanks for the post - this has now become the definitive reference for rebuilding the Ohm Walsh2 speakers.
Now I'm going to have to think about what to do with mine (BTW, original owner).
 
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