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Optimus LX-5 (cheap) modifications

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I thought the linaeum tweeters made these Radio Shack speakers a great little bargain bookshelf speakers but the surrounds on mine finally disintegrated. I was also tired of the muddy sound of the mid range and what little low end the Optimus LX-5's had so thought I'd futz around with them. I thought about replacing the woofer and upgrading the caps but there seemed to be some controversy over the best replacement parts and whether you could even get a woofer that fit the mounting holes. Plus I really didn't feel like spending THAT much time or money on these (I mean liked the tweeter but....)

I thought I'd try to salvage them with what I had on hand (luckily I had a foam surround kit) and see how it sounded. I thought the cabinet was part of the problem so I used some left over Dynamat Extreme (sound deadening material with a sticky flexible compound on one side and foil on the other). I covered a good portion of the inside of the cabinet with it. I used some left over foam (not pretty - I subsequently found some "egg crate" foam which looks better but not sure it sounds any better) and left over fish tank filter material (it looked like the white material Radio Shack used sparingly inside the box) to glue to the sides and stuff in certain nooks and crannies.

Of course the mounting holes for the speakers also disintegrated so I drilled some holes in the front cabinet and mounted with some short screws (not pretty but I didn't care about ascetics and I was being cheap!).

Last tweak was the famous straw in the ports trick. I cut straws to the length of each respective port and stuffed enough in so that they wouldn't fall out.

And the sound.....Much improved mids and bass! Tighter too! Well they're still cheap little speakers but these were easy mods and they really did sound better and I still love that tweeter. My guess is the Dynamat made the biggest impact by damping down (and mass loading) the cabinet. A few pictures if it helps.
 

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Good job! Nice when you can improve the performance that dramatically.

I had always planned some serious mods on mine, but never did get around to it. I often wonder how they would have sounded….
 
Nice. I just picked up a pair with shot surrounds. Looks like I should think about getting them up and running.
 
One of the early tweaks to tune the cabinet from when the speaker first came out. Some felt it tames some of the sloppiness from the ports. Stereophile did some measurements several years ago if you really want to see how it affects the impedance and frequency response.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/radioshack-optimus-pro-lx5-loudspeaker-measurements
Excellent write up in that link. Very detailed.

Using DATS I confirmed the woofer needs a larger cabinet. It would make a much better mid-bass driver, working in conjunction with a 12" or 15" woofer. Or as most people have done simply use with a good subwoofer. I've got 4 or 5 pairs, maybe it's time to do some experimenting.

Seems you've confirmed, for yourself at least, some of the simple tweaks.
 
For the most comprehensive Mod of the Radio Shack XL-5 you may want to consult this discussion about the (Classic) Eric Wallin/ Larry Van Wormer Mod. Larry did an excellent job (as one would expect from an Old Bass List Member!).

Here's the stuff from another thread a few years back. Be sure to read the thread mentioned all the way through as there is some additional updates and information mentioned in that thread.

Larry Van Wormer (former Bass List member) came up with a crossover mod for these that's supposed to be very good. He told me that the driver "upgrade" mentioned above isn't all that necessary if you mod the stock woofers along with the crossover mod. Dennis Murphy also took a look at Larry's crossover and found it to be just about perfect, although he added a 30 (or 33?) ohm resistor to Larry's version.

I'll see if I can find the info later today.

(I decided not to wait, as I'd probably forget, so here's a thread with Larry's mod being discussed:

http://forum.diyspeakers.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65

I hope this helps.)


Best Regards,
TerryO
 
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Does that mean adding polyfill will help as it fakes larger inside volume?
I have an excellent pair but it's waiting its turn.
Good question. Going strictly on what I've read, supposedly more fill fakes the woofer (still trying to wrap my head around that statement) into thinking (again my head is spinning) the cabinet is larger. If true, then yes more fill should compensate.

I would, however, review the other posts as there have been a number of successful mods/upgrades and most are on the cheap and don't (as mentioned) *require* changing out the woofer.

Only issue I find is that the woofer and tweeter were NOT the same for all generations AND the networks were different too. Oh, and on top of that, the baffle changed as well, which maybe I should post images.
 
For the most comprehensive Mod of the Radio Shack XL-5 you may want to consult this discussion about the (Classic) Eric Wallin/ Larry Van Wormer Mod. Larry did an excellent job (as one would expect from an Old Bass List Member!).

Here's the stuff from another thread a few years back. Be sure to read the thread mentioned all the way through as there is some additional updates and information mentioned in that thread.

Larry Van Wormer (former Bass List member) came up with a crossover mod for these that's supposed to be very good. He told me that the driver "upgrade" mentioned above isn't all that necessary if you mod the stock woofers along with the crossover mod. Dennis Murphy also took a look at Larry's crossover and found it to be just about perfect, although he added a 30 (or 33?) ohm resistor to Larry's version.

I'll see if I can find the info later today.

(I decided not to wait, as I'd probably forget, so here's a thread with Larry's mod being discussed:

http://forum.diyspeakers.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=65

I hope this helps.)


Best Regards,
TerryO

I just read through the linked thread, and it provides some good thought. However, the crossover specs and any real specific info seems to be lost to the ages. I was thinking about deadening the cabs, adding some fill, and upgrading the woofer crossover to a 2nd order.
 
OK, so I decided that I'll go with a 2nd order butterworth on the woofer, set at 1300hz, and I'll keep the tweeter with the stock 1st order cap. Just looking at the graphs in the link, this should be an improvement. We'll see...
 
Rcobb says he only has these foam surrounds for the LX5's... they sound like the right size? They seem a bit off to me, but maybe not:

Below is the closest surround I have for a 3.5" cone woofers.

Foam surround dimensions - #610-4507-1 @ $10.00 pair
Inside diameter: (edge to edge) 3-1/4"
Outside diameter: (edge to edge) 4-9/16"
Inside attachment lip: 3/16" (angle attachment lip)
Outside attachment lip: 3/16"
Roll: 5/16"
Cone diameter: 3-5/8"
 
Rcobb says he only has these foam surrounds for the LX5's... they sound like the right size? They seem a bit off to me, but maybe not:

Below is the closest surround I have for a 3.5" cone woofers.

Foam surround dimensions - #610-4507-1 @ $10.00 pair
Inside diameter: (edge to edge) 3-1/4"
Outside diameter: (edge to edge) 4-9/16"
Inside attachment lip: 3/16" (angle attachment lip)
Outside attachment lip: 3/16"
Roll: 5/16"
Cone diameter: 3-5/8"
Sounds close to what I'm using. I get mine from MWA, which is a distributor (not retailer). They are off, but only slightly. Mostly a visual thing. I've done two pair of LX speakers and one RCA linaeum center channel (two drivers). My single gripe is they are quite a bit stiffer than factory. And finding something more "supple" isn't turning up at the moment.
 
Good. As long as these are pretty close. The stiffness might loosen some with time.
Well after many posts on the subject I'm convinced break in makes little or NO difference. My center channel had one really bad surround. The other I simply re-glued it back in place. After several months of daily use (HT environment) the second woofer began to act up again, but this time I decided to replace. When comparing the woofers (surrounds ordered at different times by the way) I felt NO difference in the surrounds nor movement.

I've sent an email to the higher up at MWA asking about some "adjustments" like softer foam and smaller roll ID for a tighter fit with the cone. Just sent today so not expecting a response for a day or two.
 
It could be they were stiff when new, and only loosen after years of use. This stiffness may be correct. Maybe?!? A tighter/stiffer compliance woofer would make sense for a cabinet that some suggest is too small for the driver.
 
It could be they were stiff when new, and only loosen after years of use. This stiffness may be correct. Maybe?!? A tighter/stiffer compliance woofer would make sense for a cabinet that some suggest is too small for the driver.
Wish I knew the answer to that. Sorry, but forgot to check my speakers at home. The ones I have here are original. In fact, what interests me, and I'd like to hear others chime in, is that the first Gen LX5 I have are original and the foams are intact. Nothing special about them. But EVER LX5II and RCA I've purchased all had bad/deteriorated foams. Anyone else notice this? Odd?
 
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