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Paypal.. Who Else is Fed Up With This Joke Of A Company?

You using windows or a Mac? With that token error I'd get in and clean out my Temp files.

Been there done it all... the problem is on Paypal's end with certain accounts, not with the computer.

Like I said, if you go out and look at Facebook and the down site, you will see it's evffecting millions.. this isn't a me problem..

And like I said.. It's a GLOBAL company, and they only hold US banking hours for support.. AND, they try and deny they have problems until you point it out...

If I treated customers the way paypal does, I'd be out of business (well, I don't have one, but you know what I mean) but when you are the only game in town and lock yourself there, there isn't much other choice so they can stay on top.

OK.. there is options, but not always...... I do use my credit card a lot more on the web than I used to instead of paypal, but it's hard to do that all the time when you also deal with individuals..
 
I'm one of the millions effected by their "can't log in" outage since Thursday.

I've been on the phone with them 5 times already, first starting because of not knowing they were having a problem, then because of money "missing"....

Sorry to hear about your trouble Semilost. Thanks for posting. I was thinking about getting a PP account. Glad I didn't. Who'da thunk PP would turn into a pile of do-do?
 
FWIW, logging in @ PP is working for me, too. Sorry you've been experiencing "issues" @ PP, Simi, but I'm darned glad to know PP hasn't been hacked or fallen to other internet chicanery.
 
That money is routed though a federal banking agency and then to your bank account. The feds want to make sure it's all legit, as soon as you get the routing number PP does not have it.

Why is that? If you buy a record from me; we are both taken care of immediately. why would a bank be any different; after all it's really the same thing.You send me money and I get it. Real simple. FWIW, it's really none of the feds damn business, is it??

Discover used to drive me nuts the same way at work. Somebody buys something and they debit the account immediately, but on a refund it takes a couple days for the credit to post. We used to have to refund large purchases cash and resell goods to customers who didn't have enough left on their credit line to buy something new outright because their refunds didn't post immediately.

Always struck me as a very large load of crap...

PP seems fine here, BTW.
 
I just logged in no issue and have not had any issues in over 12 years with PayPal, I have a business account. Maybe Business accounts are not affected by the problem??
 
no problem here .
i find it odd as it takes days to move your money ..its instant for me . regular account . paypal is apparently now a bank . thats what they told me a few months back when i had a terrible time going through the new security **** .
 
To add salt to the wound, it is working for me as well (here in Canuck land). I bought three things with Paypal last Thursday and Friday and everything seemed to work fine. I also had a couple of small refunds from over payments on my part (didn't use a discount code, very honest seller) paid into my account on Friday. They haven't made it to my bank yet but they probably will next week.

I am one of the lucky ones who have had no problem with Paypal and have received refunds on a couple of items that were not as described (about 10 years ago). I still use Paypal whenever I can for the buyer protection but a lot of sellers are starting to not accept Paypal. They don't like the fees and it is too easy for a buyer to scam a seller by making a false claim. I can see their point.

I don't know why Paypal can't make a statement to users if they are experiencing problems. Perhaps because it is only happening for some people they don't want to upset everyone and lose some business. On the other hand, their customer service is taking a blow and this could hurt their business as well. I am sorry to hear of your problems with Paypal, I hope it gets resolved soon. It sucks to rely on a third party in a transaction.
 
Why is that? If you buy a record from me; we are both taken care of immediately. why would a bank be any different; after all it's really the same thing.You send me money and I get it. Real simple. FWIW, it's really none of the feds damn business, is it??
Well that's how banking works and the Feds have their fingers in everything. The feds want to know what money is being moved and paypal is international as well. Paypal aside the feds get info if you withdraw or deposit $10,000 in your bank account, they also get that info if you spend that much at one place.

As far as instant transfer from your PP and my PP it is PP honoring the transaction prior to them getting money out of your bank account if your PP account has no funds.
 
The feds want to know what money is being moved and paypal is international as well.

In my recent experience US Dept of Treasury and IRS have been particularly keen (and a PITA) re: this element, and not merely w/ respect to PP activities, but all effin' banking. Sheesh. (they'll likely read this post and throw even more **** @ me)

nb: This reply is not intended to start a (potentially) politically-charged discussion. Let's please keep things "civil" so that Simi's thread stands firm.
 
A lot of the credit laws that went in to effect recently to supposedly correct credit companies from floating money or charging too much created a lot of these issues. A lot of times in can depend entirely on the Federal Reserve branch the transaction is being cleared through. If a branch is experiencing what they deem excessive potential laundering of money through electronic transfers, everything slows down until it's all accounted for. And since PP is not strictly a banking/credit company a lot of their transactions can be flagged as a result. This can also be affected on a global scale if certain transactions have been going through the system that the NSA feels should have been getting closer scrutiny. That means everything comes to a halt. And if for some reason your account has been flagged as a part of being in a "region of concern" you're screwed. The log in problem may likely be PP's issue but the fact money is being held up is more than likely little to do with them. Or if some of those transfers happen to go through banks which been flagged without your knowledge as being weak according to the Fed's guidelines, potential terrorist or drug money facilitator according to either the Fed or the NSA, you're screwed.

As I understand it every time you make a payment or receive a payment from PP it goes on hold at your bank, the request for transfer has to be cleared through the banking system as a valid transaction, both parties have to be cleared as not potential money and/or a criminal transaction, you are not on a watch list for potential illegal activities, then the transfer can be cleared. PP can complete the transaction. Any holds can be released and whoever has been holding the money, not necessarily PP but it may be the credit/debit company involved, will release the money for transfer. The reason I know all this is because I work for a company that can do transfers, make money orders, etc. that are directly overseen by any and all credit/debit laws, Patriot Act procedures and NSA requirements. All of these apply to any company that can make money orders, handle credit/debit transactions, etc. So even the corner convenience store will have to follow all these laws just to be allowed to open their doors. Anyone who uses PP is subject to all those laws as well and more than likely is unaware of it. As a customer you may not realize it but it overshadows everything you do as one of them.

Yes PP makes money by floating money on transactions within the required limits of the law. At current that law gives not just them but any company that handles credit/debit transactions those same limits. It's why the money may be taken out immediately but not be returned for several days. Companies who take the maximum amount of time are trying to optimize the time they can claim interest on that floating money. The ones who try to minimize that time are trying to gain good vibes with their customers at the expense of that interest money. It's one of the reasons why I use a credit union instead of a bank. Banks are built to maximize profit from interest and in general delaying transactions in order to gain that last penny. MOST credit unions try to maximize customer satisfaction. Any credit card company attempts to maximize the float time to maximize interest as well as charge as much as possible the companies that use their services. VISA is the worst and why they come under so much fire in Congress.

You probably didn't want to know all this but I thought it might help to clarify at least some of the confusion behind the many delays in the transfers.

P.S. I thought I should add that the IRS & Secret Service may be watching some of this if one of these places has been identified as handling laundered money or an outlet for fake bills.
 
I understand about the $10,000 cash transactions, that's decades old, but always have had a hard time with the refunds. If that's the way banking works; it's bullshit, which is probably the case.
What difference does it make which way the money flows? If they can take my money immediately, and I run a cash balance in Paypal, they can damn well pay me immediately too.

Sorry, the door swings both ways, but I realize a lot of folks do their damnedest to not allow it to....
 
P.S. I thought I should add that the IRS & Secret Service may be watching some of this if one of these places has been identified as handling laundered money or an outlet for fake bills.

Agreed. I forgot to include this agency in my previous comment.
 
Hiya,

I got flagged as a Terrorist by Paypal because I used the word "Dio" when playing for some RJD records.

So someone is watching for sure.

Frannie
 
I've been a PayPal user since before they were PayPal - x.com was the name back then. Never a single issue. Yes, they are a business and charge a fee for providing a service. Come to think of it, the post office charges for a money order and then charges you to mail the money order - and sometimes they even lose something. Life, PayPal, USPS. None are perfect.

Did 14 PayPal transactions in the last week, both buying and selling. No money orders.
 
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