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Pilot 602 (aka RCA Radiola Mark I)

johntp

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Hello, folks,

This is my first post. Lurked for years to get valuable info about vintage tube amps and vintage turntables.

Now I'm starting my first tube amp project and I thought some here might find it interesting. I've attached a couple of pix with more to follow as I dive in.

I've searched the net high and low for info on this receiver and found none. I expect the astute among you will notice the chassis is actually a Pilot 602 of early 60's vintage.

Of course, the big question is why the complete re-work of the front controls. And I mean complete. The original 602 compliment of seven knobs is increased to ten with the addition of an AFC control, a 'Comp'(loudness?) control, and the splitting of the ganged treble and bass controls into individual knobs for each channel. Four of the slide switches and the input selector knob are replaced with a set of eight push buttons. The on/off slide is moved from the bottom left to the center between the channel controls. The tuning scales are moved toward the center and the tuning-eye is replaced with a new eye for each scale mounted at the outer ends.

All this means the old 602 front panel is replaced with a new one which is, as far as I can tell, a nearly production quality, hard chromed aluminum plate with engraved letters on the main control label band and on the bezel. The grid-pattern engraved skin is applied to the face plate with and intentional split between the right channel treble/bass controls. All in all, this is a pretty amazing re-working of the original 602 front end.

My first theory is that this a near production prototype of an RCA product based on the Pilot 602 chassis. I heard from Uncle Mike over at Vintage Asylum that this sort of prototype would show up from time to time in the South Jersey/Philly area since the RCA labs were in Camden, NJ.

If any one other thoughts or info I'd love to hear from you.

And if you've done a Pilot 602 restoration and would share the parts list, I'd be deeply in your debt.

Thanks,

John
 

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Interesting, never seen this before. I wonder if this was the prototype for what eventually became the MX-7

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Interesting, never seen this before. I wonder if this was the prototype for what eventually became the MX-7

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Hey, gadget,
You might be on to something. Definitely a front panel resemblance. It looks they sourced a different chassis or made one of their own.

Thx,

H
 
johntp......I have seen that RCA unit or another just like it before...... somewhere online, maybe on the auction site. Could have been a few years ago.

I own a Pilot 602, that was rebuilt by another forum member about 10 years ago. BTW the Pilot still works great.....

There's a detailed thread describing the rebuild here:
http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?threads/reworking-a-pilot-602.177551/
This is probably the one u saw. I got it off the site about 18 months ago. Seller had no particular provenance info.

I think i’ll reach out to that AK-er for more details.

Thx,

J
 
This is probably the one u saw. I got it off the site about 18 months ago. Seller had no particular provenance info.

I think i’ll reach out to that AK-er for more details.
Thx,
J

If you look at the high res underside photo on page 2 of that thread, you can see the new parts, mostly orange drop caps and diodes.

Have you tested the amp ?

The only thing I don't like about the 602 is that the phono section was designed for a higher output ceramic cartridge, and doesn't work
well with a low output magnetic cartridge. I've mostly used mine for listening to my old cassette tapes on my Akai tape deck.
 

Pilot Model 602SA FM MPX - AM
Stereo Receiver


SPECIFICATION AND FEATURES

All measurements made with both channels operating

AMPLIFIER SECTION

Output (IHFM Music Power): 30 watts
Frequency Response (+- 1 dB): 10 to 40 kc
Harmonic Distortion (IHFM): 1%
Hum: -80 db

INPUT SENSITIVITY

Magnetic Phono (TT)**: 3 mv
Magnetic Phono (RC): 12 mv
Tape Record.: 110 mv
Tape Head: **
Speakers Outputs per channel: 4, 8, 16 ohms
Center Speaker Outputs: yes
Tape Output: yes
Front Panel Headphone Output: ***

CONTROLS

Power: yes
Automatic Shutoff: yes
Speaker Selector: no
Tuning: yes
Separate Brass & Treble: yes
Master Volume: yes
Scratch Filter: yes
Rumble Filter: yes
Phono Input Selector: yes
Loudness: yes
Tape Monitor: yes
FM Muting: no
Mode: yes
Selector: yes

TUNER SECTIONS

FM - Sensitivity ((IHFM): 3 μv
Harmonic Distortion at 100% Modulation: 1%
Frequency Response (+-1db): 20 to 20 kc
Capture Ratio: 4 db
Tuning Indicator: Eye
FM Detector Band Width: 800 kc
FM IF Stages: 3
Automatic FM Stereo Indicator: Yes
Stereo Separation across the entire audio spectrum: Better than 30 db
Antenna: 300 Ohms balanced, 72 Ohms and built-in: Yes
AM - Sensitivity: 3 μv
Harmonic Distortion: 1%
Tuning Indicator: Eye
Antenna: built-in plus connections for outdoor: Yes

DIMENSIONS

High: 5 1/8"
Wide: 14 5/8"
Deep: 14 7/8"
PRICE: with cover $299.50

*
Tape Head can be played back by phono from phono and connecting tape head leads.
** TT inputs can be used for tape head playback.
*** Headphones can be used by connecting to speaker terminal boards.
 
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Pilot Model 602SA FM MPX - AM
Stereo Receiver


A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS

I'm very impressed with this incredible similarity between RCA Radiola Mark I and the Pilot 602 tube receiver. In my opinion it's a "prototype" made by Pilot, based on a commercial well successfull Pilot 602 to RCA. You are lucky, it's a rare equipment. Two months ago I acquired, here in Brazil, a Pilot 602 in very good condition. For those willing to compare both receivers I've posted here some pics of mine, after all, "a picture is worth a thousand words".

Obs. The manual and the schematic diagram of the original Pilot 602 FM MPX - AM Stereo Receiver can be acquired in the Howard Sams, Photofact Folder 525-11 or in the THE SCHEMATIC MAN.com web site
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LINKS

Howard Sams - Photofact Folders:
https://www.samswebsite.com/en/photofact/details/index/id/119062


The Schematic Man.com:

https://theschematicman.com/instantdownloads.htm#!/Photofact-Sets-500-550/c/33454019/offset=100

Thanks folks.
 

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Pilot Model 602SA FM MPX - AM
Stereo Receiver


The Pilot 602 utilizes a set of 17 vacuum tubes:

V1 - ECC85/6AQ8 (FM RF Amp/Osc Mixer)
V2 - 6AU6 (FM IF Amplifier ?)
V3 - 6AU6 (FM IF Amplifier ?)
V4 - 6AU6 (Ratio Detector Driver ?)
V5 - 6BA6 (AM RF Amplifier ?)
V6 - 6BE6 (AM Converter ?)
V7 - 6BA6 (AM IF Amplifier ?)
V8 - EM84/6FG6 (Tuning Indicator)
V9 - 7025/12AX71 (TT & RC Inputs A)
V10 - 7025/12AX7 (TT & RC Inputs B)
V11 - 12AX7/ECC83 (Tone Net. Driver A B)
V12 - 12AX7/ECC83 (Phase Inv./Driver A)
V13 - 12AX7/ECC83 (Phase Inv./Driver B)
V14 - EL84/6BQ5 (Power Output A)
V15 - EL84/6BQ5 (Power Output A)
V16 - EL84/6BQ5 (Power Output B)
V17 - EL84/6BQ5 (Power Output B)

POWER TRANSFORMER

VOLTAGES AC
PRIMARY BLK - 117 Vac (130 WATTS ~ 1,5 Ω)
SECUNDARY RED - 250 + 250 Vac (6,2 + 6,5 Ω)
SECUNDARY GRN - 6,3 Vac (Pilot Lights)
SECUNDARY BRN - 6,3 Vac (Tube Heaters)
SECUNDARY BLU - 6,3 Vac (Tube Heaters)

POWER SUPPLY

VOLTAGES DC

1 SOURCE - 330 Vdc
2 SOURCE - 200 Vdc
3 SOURCE - 150 Vdc
4 SOURCE - 125 Vdc

A SOURCE - 140 Vdc
B SOURCE - 140 Vdc
C SOURCE - 140 Vdc
D SOURCE - 140 Vdc

CAN CAPACITORS (Twist Lock)

CAPACITOR 1 (Two Sections)
SECTION A - 40μF x 400 VDC
SECTION B - 80μF x 400 VDC

CAPACITOR 2 (Three Sections)
SECTION A - 20μF x 350 VDC
SECTION B - 40μF x 350 VDC
SECTION C - 40μF x 350 VDC

CAPACITOR 3 (Three Sections)
SECTION A - 40μF x 300 VDC
SECTION B - 80μF x 250 VDC
SECTION C - 40μF x 250 VDC
 
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Julio Cezar,

Thank you for the information and pictures of your 602SA. :thumbsup:

In your listing you indicate:

POWER TRANSFORMER

VOLTAGES AC
PRIMARY BLK - 117 Vac (130 WATTS ~ 1,5 Ω)
SECUNDARY RED - 250 + 250 Vac (6,2 + 6,5 Ω)
SECUNDARY GRN - 6,3 Vac (Pilot Lights)
SECUNDARY BRN - 6,3 Vac (Tube Heaters)
SECUNDARY BLU - 6,3 Vac (Tube Heaters)

In my schematics, I have:

POWER TRANSFORMER

VOLTAGES AC
PRIMARY BLK / RED-BLK - 117 Vac (130 WATTS ~ 1,5 Ω)
SECONDARY RED / RED - 250 + 250 Vac (6,2 + 6,5 Ω)
Secondary RED-WHT - center tap of the high voltage secondary RED / RED This is the 160VDC source.
SEOUNDARY GRN / GRN-YEL - 6,3 Vac (Pilot Lights)
SEOUNDARY BRN / BRN-YEL - 6,3 Vac (Tube Heaters)
SEOUNDARY BLU / BLU-YEL - 6,3 Vac (Tube Heaters)
 
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