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Pioneer TX-9800 recap list

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Hi, all. I'm from the UK and new to vintage audio equipment (about 6 months). I bought a pioneer SA-8800 one month back and recapped it successfully (apart from the filter caps) yesterday, it took me 12 hours. This was my first recap ever and I used the cap list and the mouser BOM list from this site. I did a lot of reading and video watching before the attempt. So I would like to thank all the contributes of this site.

I bought a TX-9800 tuner today and it is yet to arrive. I would like to recap this too. but I cant find a service manual, part list or recap list anywhere. But reading through this site it appears that many people might have done it before. So if some one has a such a list can they post it. Where can I get a service manual?
 
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for a PAPER manual (reproduction) our Gold Standard is from Stereomanuals.com

there are many download sites with varying amounts of information as well as quality of scans, and in this case, for your needs, incomplete information.

You need parts lists to see what Pioneer specified for each capacitor. Failure to utilize that info can result
in audibly poor performance, especially in noise sensitive areas of the schematic. Sorry...
Rick's manual(s) from Stereomanuals.com should have that info. I or someone else would need that info to select
capacitors, which is PROBABLY why you don't see a cap list for it (yet).

almost all of the sites are just duplicates of the incomplete information found on other sites.

AudioKarma, akdatabase dot org (Home > PDF Manuals > Pioneer User Manuals > Pioneer Tuners)
hifiengine
electrotanya


The AK service manual ( but doesn't have the parts lists) is the best I have seen from UNPAY sites, there is one site that claims a $5 service manual download with 34 pages.but they ONLY guarantee schematics are present.

Best option, in my shoes, get the paper manual from stereomanuals.com and type in the electrolytic capacitors found in the parts lists for the boards.
then post your list and we'll have something to work with, to add on reasonable replacements.

You need to read these tuning fork articles about capacitors and their codes, to separate out the UNNECESSARY typing, of non-electrolytic capacitors.
http://audiokarma.org/forums/index....uning-fork-service-guide.249745/#post-3012505
you need to concern yourself with:
CE (CEA,CEB)
CS (CSS, CSY, CSZ)
The other types don't routinely die with time. There are a LOT of other, different types in those lists.



gwe-114 cea 2r2p 50 c20, c50, c129
gwe-114 cea 101p 16 c31, c61, c109, c117
gwe-114 cea 010p 50 c51, c57, c63, c90, c119, c128
gwe-114 cea 101p 10 c55, c115
gwe-114 cea 221p 6 c58
gwe-114 cea 471p 16 c59
gwe-114 ceanl 100m 16 c60, c71, c72
gwe-114 cea 221p 16 c62, c124
gwe-114 csza 010m 25 c65, c68
gwe-114 csza 6r8m 6 c67
gwe-114 ceanl r33m 50 c73, c74
gwe-114 ceanl 4r7m 25 c76, c83
gwe-114 cea 470p 10 c77, c78
gwe-114 cea 100p 16 c81, c85, c120, c122
gwe-114 cea 330p 16 c82
gwe-114 cea 3r3p 50 c88, c103
gwe-114 cea221p 16 c99
gwe-114 cea 4r7p 35 c106
gwe-114 ceanl 101m 6 c112, c113
gwe-114 cea 010p 50 c114
gwe-114 cea 101p 6 c121

gws-168 cea 101p 16 c7, c12
gws-168 ceanl 010m 50 c10
gws-168 csza r10m 35 c16
gws-168 ceanl r47m 50 c17, c18
gws-168 cea 471p 6 c20

AWR-187 cea 102p 25 c4
AWR-187 cea 471p 25 c5, c6
AWR-187 cea 101p 10 c8
AWR-187 cea 221p 16 c10
AWR-187 cea 470p 10 c11
AWR-187 cea 4r7p 35 c13

this is just the start, others may beat me translating this to individual caps, I just wanted to get it out there for others to work on.

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see what I did, repeat for the gwe-114 board.
one cap per line, duplicate the entries when there are multiple caps per line.
 
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this is start data for replacements.
One of the others can pick up from here,
I've burned too much time on it already.

use Nichicon UKL caps for the ceanl, csza caps.
the rest (cea) get Nichicon UPW.
 
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Hi Mark, thanks for your input and the list. I just examined the images I got from the seller, according to it.
1) The model is M
2) The tuner board is GWE-116. It has 2 different caps from your list and these are: C99 is 22uf 16V, C128 is 3.3uf 50V
3) Power supply board is AWR -190 and the caps from your list match.
4) I assume the APC board is AWX- 160, if that is the case the caps from your list match.

Perhaps I'm not the best person to search these caps or substitutions for these on Mouser but I will try.
 
If there is a discrepancy between what the list has and what is on the board, it's generally best to stick with the board parts.
 
So this is the cap list with Mouser part mumblers I developed using Mark's list. This has to be seen by Mark or another expert and verified before use.



Pioneer TX-9800 recap list


Power supply board AWR 190/187


AWR-190/187: C4: 1000uf 25V CEA: 1000 25: 647-UPW1E102MPD6

AWR-190/187: C5: 470uf 25V CEA: 470 25: 647-UPW1E471MPD

AWR-190/187: C6: 470uf 25V CEA: 470 25: 647-UPW1E471MPD

AWR-190/187: C8: 100uf 10V CEA: 100 10: 647-UPW1A101MDD6

AWR-190/187: C10: 220uf 16V CEA: 220 16: 647-UPW1C221MPD

AWR-190/187: C11: 47uf 10 V CEA: 47 10: 647-UPW1A470MDD

AWR-190/187: C13: 4.7uf 35V CEA: 4.7 35: 647-UPW1V4R7MDD


APC board AWX- 168/160


AWX- 168/160: C7: 100uf 16V CEA: 100 16: 647-UPW1C101MED

AWX- 168/160: C10: 1uf 50V CEANL: 1 50: 647-UKL1H010MDDANATD
AWX- 168/160: C12: 100uf 16V CEA: 100 16: 647-UPW1C101MED

AWX- 168/160: C16: 0.1uf 35V CSZA: 0.1 50: 647-UKL1H0R1KDDANA

AWX- 168/160: C17: 0.47uf 50V CEANL: 0.47 50: 647-UKL1HR47KDDANA

AWX- 168/160: C18: 0.47uf 50V CEANL: 0.47 50: 647-UKL1HR47KDDANA

AWX- 168/160: C20: 470uf 6V CEA: 470 6.3: 647-UPW0J471MPD


Tuner board GWE-114


GWE-114: C20: 2.2uf 50V CEA: 2.2 50: 647-UPW1H2R2MDD

GWE-114: C31: 100uf 16V CEA: 100 16: 647-UPW1C101MED

GWE-114: C50: 2.2uf 50V CEA: 2.2 50: 647-UPW1H2R2MDD

GWE-114: C51: 1uf 50V CEA: 1 50: 647-UPW1H010MDD

GWE-114: C55: 100uf 10V CEA: 100 10: 647-UPW1A101MDD

GWE-114: C57: 1uf 50 CEA: 1 50: 647-UPW1H010MDD

GWE-114: C58: 220uf 6V CEA: 220 6.3: 647-UPW0J221MED

GWE-114: C59: 470uf 16V CEA: 470 16: 647-UPW1C471MPD6

GWE-114: C60: 10uf 16V CEANL: 10 16: 647-UKL1C100KDDANA

GWE-114: C61: 100uf 16V CEA: 100 16: 647-UPW1C101MED

GWE-114: C62: 220uf 16V CEA: 220 16: 647-UPW1C221MPD1TD

GWE-114: C63: 1uf 50V CEA: 1 50: 647-UPW1H010MDD

GWE-114: C65: 1uf 25 CSZA: 1 50: 647-UKL1H010KDDANA

GWE-114: C67: 6.8uf 6V CSZA: 6.8 25: 647-UKL1E6R8KDDANA

GWE-114: C68: 1uf 25V CSZA: 1 50: 647-UKL1H010KDDANA

GWE-114: C71: 10uf 16V CEANL: 10 16: 647-UKL1C100KDDANA

GWE-114: C72: 10uf 16V CEANL: 10 16: 647-UKL1C100KDDANA

GWE-114: C73: 0.33uf 50V CEANL: 0.33 50: 647-UKL1HR33KDDANA

GWE-114: C74: 0.33uf 50V CEANL: 0.33 50: 647-UKL1HR33KDDANA

GWE-114: C76: 4.7uf 25V CEANL: 4.7 25: 647-UKL1E4R7KDDANA

GWE-114: C77: 47uf 10V CEA: 47 10: 647-UPW1A470MDD6

GWE-114: C78: 47uf 10V CEA: 47 10: 647-UPW1A470MDD6

GWE-114: C81: 10uf 16 CEA: 10 16: 647-UPW1C100MDD

GWE-114: C82: 33uf 16V CEA: 33 16: 647-UPW1C330MDD

GWE-114: C83: 4.7uf 25V CEANL: 4.7 25: 647-UKL1E4R7KDDANA

GWE-114: C85: 10uf 16V CEA: 10 16: 647-UPW1C100MDD

GWE-114: C88: 3.3uf 50V CEA: 3.3 50: 647-UPW1H3R3MDD

GWE-114: C90: 1uf 50V CEA: 1 50: 647-UPW1H010MDD

GWE-114: C99: 220uf 16V CEA: 220 16: 647-UPW1C221MPD1TD

GWE-114: C103: 3.3uf 50V CEA: 3.3 50: 647-UPW1H3R3MDD

GWE-114: C106: 4.7uf 35V CEA: 4.7 35: 647-UPW1V4R7MDD

GWE-114: C109: 100uf 16V CEA: 100 16: 647-UPW1C101MED

GWE-114: C112: 100uf 6V CEANL: 100 10: 647-UKL1A101KEDANA

GWE-114: C113: 100uf 6V CEANL: 100 10: 647-UKL1A101KEDANA

GWE-114: C114: 1uf 50V CEA: 1 50: 647-UPW1H010MDD

GWE-114: C115: 100uf 10V CEA: 100 10: 647-UPW1A101MDD

GWE-114: C117: 100uf 16V CEA: 100 16: 647-UPW1C101MED

GWE-114: C119: 1uf 50V CEA: 1 50: 647-UPW1H010MDD

GWE-114: C120: 10uf 6V CEA: 10 16: 647-UPW1C100MDD

GWE-114: C121: 100uf 6V CEA: 100 6.3: 647-UPW0J101MDD

GWE-114: C122: 10uf 16V CEA: 10 16: 647-UPW1C100MDD

GWE-114: C124: 220uf 16V CEA: 220 16: 647-UPW1C221MPD1TD

GWE-114: C128: 1uf 50V CEA: 1 50: 647-UPW1H010MDD

GWE-114: C129: 2.2uf 50v CEA: 2.2 50: 647-UPW1H2R2MDD


If the tuner board is GWE-116, C99 and C128 has to be substituted as follows


GWE-116: C99: 22uf 16V CEA: 22 16: 647-UPW1C220MDD6

GWE-116: C128: 3.3uf 50V CEA: 3.3 50: 647-UPW1H3R3MDD
 
I had the list almost done, BUT the 1uf 50v cea cap was giving me back order and future availability fits.

See how close I got to yours.

for the caps below 1uf, we don't want to use electrolytics, and I was looking for them, too.
My "go to" stacked film caps are obsolete.
WIMA caps probably.

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For the stacked film caps are these suitable? All are in stock and the brand is KEMET, is this brand OK?

GWE-114: C73: 0.33uf 50V CEANL: 0.33 63 80-F612JG334J063C
GWE-114: C74: 0.33uf 50V CEANL: 0.33 63 80-F612JG334J063C
AWX- 168/160: C16: 0.1uf 35V CSZA: 0.1 63 80-F612JF104K063L
AWX- 168/160: C17: 0.47uf 50V CEANL: 0.47 63 80-F612JG474J063C
AWX- 168/160: C18: 0.47uf 50V CEANL: 0.47 63 80-F612JG474J063C
 
I've been using 80-R82DC4100CK60J which are 1uF/63v with good results. In quantities of 10 or more, they are $0.241 ea. If you want Wimas, try 505-MKS2C041001FKI00 which are a bit more expensive at $0.314 ea in the same quantities. Both are in stock at Mouser.
 
I've been using 80-R82DC4100CK60J which are 1uF/63v with good results. In quantities of 10 or more, they are $0.241 ea. If you want Wimas, try 505-MKS2C041001FKI00 which are a bit more expensive at $0.314 ea in the same quantities. Both are in stock at Mouser.

I'd go with the WIMAs, never have to change them again....


For the stacked film caps are these suitable? All are in stock and the brand is KEMET, is this brand OK?

GWE-114: C73: 0.33uf 50V CEANL: 0.33 63 80-F612JG334J063C
GWE-114: C74: 0.33uf 50V CEANL: 0.33 63 80-F612JG334J063C
AWX- 168/160: C16: 0.1uf 35V CSZA: 0.1 63 80-F612JF104K063L
AWX- 168/160: C17: 0.47uf 50V CEANL: 0.47 63 80-F612JG474J063C
AWX- 168/160: C18: 0.47uf 50V CEANL: 0.47 63 80-F612JG474J063C

These look great.
 
I checked out some WIMAs they are all general film caps, and they are all either MKS 2 or MKS 4 type. Will it suite the purpose?
 
I had the list almost done, BUT the 1uf 50v cea cap was giving me back order and future availability fits.

See how close I got to yours.

for the caps below 1uf, we don't want to use electrolytics, and I was looking for them, too.
My "go to" stacked film caps are obsolete.
WIMA caps probably.
could you please post this as text? at least mouser part #. Thanks.
 
the 0.1 63 80-F612JF104K063L was on backorder, so 0.1 100 80-F612JF104K100L was subbed.less than 20 bucks of caps. all currently in stock.

as text, less data can be included, sorry - it will make installation a bit tougher.


tx-9800 awr-187 c4 647-UPW1E102MHD
tx-9800 awr-187 c5 647-UPW1E471MPD
tx-9800 awr-187 c6 647-UPW1E471MPD
tx-9800 awr-187 c8 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 awr-187 c10 647-UPW1E221MPD
tx-9800 awr-187 c11 647-UPW1E470MDD
tx-9800 awr-187 c13 647-UPW1H4R7MDD


tx-9800 gws-168 c7 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gws-168 c10 647-UKL1H010MDDANA
tx-9800 gws-168 c12 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gws-168 c16 80-F612JF104K100L
tx-9800 gws-168 c17 80-F612JG474J063C
tx-9800 gws-168 c18 80-F612JG474J063C
tx-9800 gws-168 c20 647-UPW1E471MPD


tx-9800 gwe-114 c20 647-UPW1H2R2MDD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c31 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c50 647-UPW1H2R2MDD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c51 80-R82DC4100CK60J
tx-9800 gwe-114 c55 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c57 80-R82DC4100CK60J
tx-9800 gwe-114 c58 647-UPW1E221MPD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c59 647-UPW1E471MPD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c60 647-UKL1H100MDDANA
tx-9800 gwe-114 c61 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c62 647-UPW1E221MPD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c63 80-R82DC4100CK60J
tx-9800 gwe-114 c65 647-UKL1H010MDDANA
tx-9800 gwe-114 c67 647-UKL1H6R8KDDANA
tx-9800 gwe-114 c68 647-UKL1H010MDDANA
tx-9800 gwe-114 c71 647-UKL1H100MDDANA
tx-9800 gwe-114 c72 647-UKL1H100MDDANA
tx-9800 gwe-114 c73 80-F612JG334J063C
tx-9800 gwe-114 c74 80-F612JG334J063C
tx-9800 gwe-114 c76 647-UKL1E4R7KDDANA
tx-9800 gwe-114 c77 647-UPW1E470MDD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c78 647-UPW1E470MDD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c81 647-UPW1V100MDD6
tx-9800 gwe-114 c82 647-UPW1E330MDD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c83 647-UKL1E4R7KDDANA
tx-9800 gwe-114 c85 647-UPW1V100MDD6
tx-9800 gwe-114 c88 647-UPW1H3R3MDD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c90 80-R82DC4100CK60J
tx-9800 gwe-114 c99 647-UPW1E221MPD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c103 647-UPW1H3R3MDD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c106 647-UPW1H4R7MDD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c109 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c112 647-UKL1A101KED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c113 647-UKL1A101KED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c114 80-R82DC4100CK60J
tx-9800 gwe-114 c115 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c117 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c119 80-R82DC4100CK60J
tx-9800 gwe-114 c120 647-UPW1V100MDD6
tx-9800 gwe-114 c121 647-UPW1C101MED1TD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c122 647-UPW1V100MDD6
tx-9800 gwe-114 c124 647-UPW1E221MPD
tx-9800 gwe-114 c128 80-R82DC4100CK60J
tx-9800 gwe-114 c129 647-UPW1H2R2MDD

cut n paste for mouser text block

647-UKL1A101KED1TD
647-UKL1A101KED1TD
647-UKL1E4R7KDDANA
647-UKL1E4R7KDDANA
647-UKL1H010MDDANA
647-UKL1H010MDDANA
647-UKL1H010MDDANA
647-UKL1H100MDDANA
647-UKL1H100MDDANA
647-UKL1H100MDDANA
647-UKL1H6R8KDDANA
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1C101MED1TD
647-UPW1E102MHD
647-UPW1E221MPD
647-UPW1E221MPD
647-UPW1E221MPD
647-UPW1E221MPD
647-UPW1E221MPD
647-UPW1E330MDD
647-UPW1E470MDD
647-UPW1E470MDD
647-UPW1E470MDD
647-UPW1E471MPD
647-UPW1E471MPD
647-UPW1E471MPD
647-UPW1E471MPD
647-UPW1H2R2MDD
647-UPW1H2R2MDD
647-UPW1H2R2MDD
647-UPW1H3R3MDD
647-UPW1H3R3MDD
647-UPW1H4R7MDD
647-UPW1H4R7MDD
647-UPW1V100MDD6
647-UPW1V100MDD6
647-UPW1V100MDD6
647-UPW1V100MDD6
80-F612JF104K100L
80-F612JG334J063C
80-F612JG334J063C
80-F612JG474J063C
80-F612JG474J063C
80-R82DC4100CK60J
80-R82DC4100CK60J
80-R82DC4100CK60J
80-R82DC4100CK60J
80-R82DC4100CK60J
80-R82DC4100CK60J
80-R82DC4100CK60J
 
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