And so you expect a store selling 4K TVs should show them on standard def? What is your point?
Plasma compared to LCD.
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And so you expect a store selling 4K TVs should show them on standard def? What is your point?
Sansui77
Khosaku Kikuchi's Grandson
Read it correctly.... the whole paragraph!
invaderzim
Super Member
Not on display showing lower definition content but at the very least have an option of seeing what they look like with other video sources. Especially since they don't all handle the up-converting the same. They steadfastly said "We can't change what those are showing" when asked.
Not only do they stick to 4K for them it is pictures and video clips they've selected to perfectly match their TV. Nothing moves fast enough to show motion blur. It is great if I'm going to use it as a digital picture frame, not so great if I want to watch a mix of broadcast TV and various resolution movies.
It is a bit like a car dealer having their own ultra smooth test track with no sharp turns and nothing over 45 mph that they let you test drive the car on, but you can't take it on the roads you'd actually be driving to see how it is until you buy it.
I did. It seemed a pedantic point (and still does) to be upset that a retailer would show how a product can look its best, not its worst.
squirrelnest
Lunatic Member
Plasma screens are heavy and run hot....you need cooling fans to keep temp down.
If BB would use different clips or sources for different TV the you might have a point.....but they dont. The have the same signal so one can compare all of the sets to each other. And as the poster above noticed, it seems they dont refuse to show a different source if one askes.
Also a Chevy dealer will not let you track the Vette you MIGHT buy nor will a Ford dealer let you drag race a Cobra Jet Mustang either. Buying a car is not the best analogy for describing how one buys a TV.
Mine are all mounted on a wall, I don't notice the weight - but the later 65ZT60 is about 25lbs lighter than the earlier 58V10. But as plasma TVs are no longer in production, weight, fans, heat are all sort of moot points
Sansui77
Khosaku Kikuchi's Grandson
Who says "to be upset" I love the 4k pictures that they show on the display models. Will most of my viewing be in 4K....very minimal and the same with all of the people who buy them. When it's time to upgrade, I will take a copy of some fast scanning sports in 1080p and I will compare since at the moment it's my main viewing resolution. There's no point for me to upgrade to a 4K OLED yet because 1. My current TV still works perfectly
2. I will be mainly viewing a Max resolution of 1080p which my Pana does it already! Do you understand my point now?
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All this talk about plasma TV's being heavy cracks me up. You don't know heavy unless you had CRT sets. And so what, they weigh a bit more than LED sets. Are ya'll 90 pound weaklings?
Then there's the plasma TV's run hot. Sure they run warmer than LED, so what. Do you complain about your amp putting off heat too?
Fans....can't hear'em.....non-factor.
Power hogs.....seriously? We're talking pennies at best. Personally, I love using up power and leave all my audio gear on 24/7.
Bottom line, plasma still has the best, most realistic picture quality and that is all that should matter.
If you can find one used, buy it because they don't make'em anymore.
Then there's the plasma TV's run hot. Sure they run warmer than LED, so what. Do you complain about your amp putting off heat too?
Fans....can't hear'em.....non-factor.
Power hogs.....seriously? We're talking pennies at best. Personally, I love using up power and leave all my audio gear on 24/7.
Bottom line, plasma still has the best, most realistic picture quality and that is all that should matter.
If you can find one used, buy it because they don't make'em anymore.
I have two plasma TV's larger than yours that I have no problem lifting and moving all by myself.
sKiZo
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Yup ... but on the other hand, worth stressing that whatever way you go, with whatever set, RTFM! and get the thing out of "torch mode". The usual default settings are there to make the set look good in a big box store under huge amounts of light. Tricky part is, a lot of sets only allow you to change that in the initial setup when you first get it home, so if you missed that part, you usually have to go back to the beginning, losing any custom settings or whatever, including your streaming subscriptions. DO make sure you note any passwords and such before attempting this.
And ... as mentioned, the plasma vs LCD thing is pretty much moot nowadays. Biggest issue with early LCDs was the horrendous backlighting (think "spotlighting"), but that's mostly gone now. Better sets have gotten away from edge lighting as well, so you've got even brightness and dynamic contrast across the screen. My Samsung Series 7 is pushing 5 years old now (that's like, what ... 100 in TV years? <G>) and I can't say I've ever noticed any such issues, in any lighting, or with any source.
OLED? Eh. I actually prefer SD playback, except for sports. I've got my Dish receiver hooked up in both HD (HDMI) and SD (S-Video), so I can switch res on the fly. IMHO, most movies and such benefit from lower res, and if a game ain't interesting enough to keep my mind off any picture issues, it must not be interesting enough. Then again, I'm only working with a 46" screen in my cottage size house - The bigger the screen, the more obvious any pixelation and other such will be, and the higher quality picture you'll need.
Oh. DO check the speed of the set before purchasing, as that can make a BIG difference for ghosting, motion trails, or other such artifacts. I'd go with at least 240hz ...
Spinning45s
Active Member
One of the big advantages of plasmas was the higher refresh rate. Today, too many LCD TV's attain a higher refresh rate through software, e.g. some TV's will list a 60 Hz rate, but it only attains that rate through the software, not the circuitry. Also, increasing the rate through software can cause some distortion in areas of the picture.
I understand that one drawback of plasmas is that they are more susceptible to burn-in than LCD's.
I understand that one drawback of plasmas is that they are more susceptible to burn-in than LCD's.
That's because of the phosphors, very much the same as crt sets. Unless you have a static image ( like a 4x3 image,logos,etc), it shouldn't be a problem. I've owned a plasma for 8 years and have not seen any burn in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display
Every pixel is made up of three separate subpixel cells, each with different colored phosphors. One subpixel has a red light phosphor, one subpixel has a green light phosphor and one subpixel has a blue light phosphor. These colors blend together to create the overall color of the pixel, the same as a triad of a shadow mask CRT or color LCD. Plasma panels use pulse-width modulation (PWM) to control brightness: by varying the pulses of current flowing through the different cells thousands of times per second, the control system can increase or decrease the intensity of each subpixel color to create billions of different combinations of red, green and blue. In this way, the control system can produce most of the visible colors. Plasma displays use the same phosphors as CRTs, which accounts for the extremely accurate color reproduction when viewing television or computer video images (which use an RGB color system designed for CRT displays).
https://www.cnet.com/news/is-plasma-hdtv-burn-in-a-problem/
Warning from the manual of my Pioneer Elite Pro 111FD
7.5 Phosphor Properties
The following are typical effects and characteristics of a phosphor-based matrix display and as such are not covered by the Warranty:
• Permanent residual images upon the phosphors of the panel
• Existence of one or more inactive light cells in small quantity
• Noises generated by fan motors, electrical circuits (hum), panel plates, etc.
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Does that mean the person you're responding to doesn't? Or what?
I doubt it.
We'll go with, or what....
Obviously, you aren't.
Djcoolray
Addicted Member
Had a great Pioneer plasma that burned out after four years and went with a Sylvania LCD that actually had almost the same picture quality, allot better than most LCD's. Plus the Sylvania has circuit protection that prevents damage to the TV. It has every hook up from RCA to HDMI.....and when it goes into protection mode, you just reset it. If there was ever a television that didn't need replacing, this is the one and it's compatible with every present format.