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Please Help! Tweeters blown or?

RyFi

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Boy oh boy am I in trouble... I borrowed a pair of Snell Type C/iv from a neighbor about a month ago. He wasn't using them and my plan was to audition them and then perhaps offer to buy them. They live in a nice big room in my place and have plenty of space to do their thing. I don't have a lot of experience with higher end speakers but to my ears they sound beautiful. I'll skip the usual superlatives and get right to what happened. There isn't a whole lot out there on this exact model but they were made for a few years in the 90s and retailed for $2,200/pair new. They have both front and rear firing tweeters which are not the same (different rear and front tweets). Here's what happened...

I was listening to the TV through my system. I use one of those cheap FiiO D3 DACs to get from tv digital out to rca in on my receiver. My house seems to have an inordinate amount of static electricity in it and I am careful to discharge myself by touching the metal case of an ionizing blower thing I have plugged into the same power strip as the rest of my system before I touch my receiver or turntable. So tonight I touched the ionizer to discharge, a spark flew from my finger and at the same moment the DAC started emitting nothing but noise. A bit scary but I immediately hit the power switch on the receiver. It had happened before and all that was needed was to unplug and replug the DAC and it would then work fine. A bit later it happened again (another discharge, spark, and noise from the DAC) but this time when I turned the receiver back on, both of the front firing tweeters on the Snells were dead. My guess is that the noise from the DAC was full of nasty square waves/distortion and was the cause of the tweeter death. The woofers and mid-range drivers seem to be unaffected. The other thought I had was that perhaps something in the crossovers failed and not the tweeters themselves. The reason for this thought is that the rear firing tweeters can still be heard faintly but at a much much lower volume than when the front firing were working.

So my question is - could the nasty noise (square wave distortion?) from the DAC have damaged something OTHER than the tweeters? Could there be a damaged component (capacitor? resistor? inductor? interior fuse?) that has cut off the signal to the front tweeters and only allowing a small bit of signal to the rear tweeters? I'm guessing unlikely. I looked on Atomic HiFi and TV which is apparently the place to get Snell parts and they have the front tweeters listed for $95 each but no rear tweets for my model.

I am sick about having to tell my neighbor especially since he told me a week or so ago that he was re-energized by my interest and had made room for them and wanted to listen to them when I was done auditioning them.

Any help, advice, empathy, voodoo speaker spells, etc would be hugely appreciated. Thanks!

(EDIT) As soon as I posted this I realized I hadn't checked the OUTER fuses. I assumed they were fine because the other drivers are working. The fuses on both speakers have broken filaments. As it's 1 am I'll have to wait to get some fuses until morning. Is it common for fuses to only be wired to protect the tweeters? Can fuses protect against the kind of thing I described earlier? I feel like an idiot but if this is all the problem is I will be the most relieved idiot in Speakertown...
 
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step one, take the ionizer OUT of the circuit that your stereo is on, you're lucky you haven't fried everything with it yet.

beyond that, you're gonna have to dig and find out if there was an internal fuse on those tweets, otherwise I suspect the ionizer threw a bunch of noise into your amp which then sent all that power to the speakers.

try the speakers on another amplifier, see if there is any sound from the tweeters, otherewise you're probably buying your budy new tweets.

I did what you did back in the early nineties, (touching the ionizer) only it was while I was on the phone, a now extinct land line. it fried the phone.

it's possible you've fried something in the crossover, maybe you're lucky and it has a dbt inline with the tweets.
 
Thanks for the reply, jazzmans. I should explain that I only turn the ionizer on briefly to blow on an lp before I put it on the turntable, then it's off. But yeah, since the DAC is plugged into the same strip it's probably why it started spitting digi-noise after I touched the case to discharge the built up static on my person. I will remedy that immediately!!!
I hooked up some JBL bookshelves to see if the receiver was damaged and luckily it's fine. It's definitely the speakers but I am a bit less freaked out after finding the blown fuses. Now I'm trying to find out what a "312 series" fuse is. Thanks again!
 
If you don't have any spare fuses just bridge them with tin foil to see if that restores sound to the tweeters, highly suggest checking your amp isn't sending DC to the speakers before doing this.
 
Thanks for the reply, jazzmans. I should explain that I only turn the ionizer on briefly to blow on an lp before I put it on the turntable, then it's off. But yeah, since the DAC is plugged into the same strip it's probably why it started spitting digi-noise after I touched the case to discharge the built up static on my person. I will remedy that immediately!!!
I hooked up some JBL bookshelves to see if the receiver was damaged and luckily it's fine. It's definitely the speakers but I am a bit less freaked out after finding the blown fuses. Now I'm trying to find out what a "312 series" fuse is. Thanks again!

You would be better off with a Zerostat. $71 @ Amazon.
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Speechless.

At what exactly? If the guys in a pinch about blowing his neighbours speakers up and verifies theres no dc at his speaker terminals then there won't be an issue. I've done it PLENTY of times and never had an issue.

Not to mention my Wilson Speakers use resistors as fuses in the crossovers and I found bypassing them improved the sound, which is exactly what tin foil would do.
 
At what exactly? If the guys in a pinch about blowing his neighbours speakers up and verifies theres no dc at his speaker terminals then there won't be an issue. I've done it PLENTY of times and never had an issue.

Not to mention my Wilson Speakers use resistors as fuses in the crossovers and I found bypassing them improved the sound, which is exactly what tin foil would do.
Your time will come.
 
uh, he already blew the fuses once, they aren't his speakers, and you're recommending he bypass the fuses?
That makes no sense. @RyFi Go down to your local hardware store, or auto store, or wal-mart if you must, and buy 5$ worth of fuses...
 
Using the foil is just to make shure they are still working, right ?

Then, go with it and plug the receiver only with the speakers,turn on the receiver using headphones only just to make shure a clean FM reception is locked, then turn on the speakers and check those tweeters.

Then, even if the tweeters are fried, buy the speakers from your neighboor.... you have no choice either way.
 
Ok so very good news... $1.98 worth of new fuses has restored the tweeters. I'm very VERY relieved. I couldn't find the exact fuses that were in there before (2A 250v series 312) so I got some AGC 2A 250v. They don't say they are fast acting on the package and I'm assuming they should be but maybe that's inherent in automotive glass cartridges? I can't figure out what series 312 means or if it's important. I found some on the interwebs which I will happily order if necessary.
As far as the ionizer goes, I should have just said "appliance" or something because I think I gave the wrong impression. It could have been anything (ice cream maker, 3D printer, lava lamp)... It was just something metal I was discharging myself on. It was not running nor do I leave it running for more than 5 or 10 seconds. It does a much much better job of dissipating static on LPs than my zerostat gun that sits idle and it was a lot cheaper too (used). I have sprayed my listening chair and surrounding carpet with static guard which helped immediately (duh) and I've moved the ionizer onto a completely different outlet than my system.
Thanks to everyone who replied and if you have any specific info re fuses please keep the info flowing...

Signed,
One relieved idiot (RyFi)
 
uh, he already blew the fuses once, they aren't his speakers, and you're recommending he bypass the fuses?
That makes no sense. @RyFi Go down to your local hardware store, or auto store, or wal-mart if you must, and buy 5$ worth of fuses...

Why don't you read what I said properly? Confirm that there is no dc at the terminals and there is no risk to the tweeters.
 
Using the foil is just to make shure they are still working, right ?

Then, go with it and plug the receiver only with the speakers,turn on the receiver using headphones only just to make shure a clean FM reception is locked, then turn on the speakers and check those tweeters.

Then, even if the tweeters are fried, buy the speakers from your neighboor.... you have no choice either way.

Someone understands, I was starting to think common sense had gone out of the window here.
 
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