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Pro-Ject Head Box SE op-amp upgrade (w/pictures)

Mr. Lin

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Recently I temporarily switched over from the Little Dot I+ to my Head Box SE, for reasons I won't get into here because it's not relevant. Over the past week I've grown to really enjoy the strengths of the Pro-Ject amp, which, while not necessarily better than the I+, can still hold its own in the presence of that tube (hybrid) headphone amp I like so much.

The Head Box SE has advantages that fit many solid state stereotypes, like sharper transient attacks, excellent instrument separation and definition, lots of detail, taut, controlled lower frequencies, and a drier, more neutral and sober sonic presentation (IMO). It works very well with classical music, which is what I'm listening to exclusively these days.

The Head Box SE (from here on to be referred to as "HB SE") is actually two headphone amps in one box, so two people could listen at the same time with different headphones. This feature is of no use to me, I only bought the HB SE because at the time Music Direct was trying to get rid of them (mine's the original black version as you'll see momentarily), and therefore priced them at $200 instead of $300.

Inside the HB SE is a 4508 JRC dual op-amp. I researched this a bit, and it turns out it's a very generic, run-of-the-mill op-amp. This puzzled me since every other part of the amp is of high quality. While researching, I also came across some posts in another audio forum about someone's experience changing out the op-amps in his HB SE. But I should note that, according to the pictures, his version must be older because it seems to have lower quality components in it. This person explained that he was initially "underwhelmed" by the performance of the amp, but that installing a better op-amp changed that dramatically for the better.

If you've read my I+ thread you know I have no shortage of audio-grade op-amps on hand. :D So tonight I decided to have at it.

Let me start by saying I had a hell of a time getting into this thing. I approached this task thinking "This will be easy!", just open it up, de-solder, re-solder, install new op-amp, close it up, and voila! No.

After trying to open it with several specialty electronics tools, announcing a complete list of every curse word I know, and, as my girlfriend later put it, throwing a "hissy fit" (and some tools), I discovered that one can remove the two volume knobs and one selector knob on the faceplate, and this allows you to slide the PCB and bottom metal plate out of the aluminum chassis. :para:

Here's what the HB SE looks like:

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Here are two pictures of what it looks like nude, the second one is the side I worked on (I didn't replace both op-amps because I never use the first headphone jack), and you can see the op-amp that was my target, between what I assume are two bypass caps:

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Truth be told, removing the stock op-amp wasn't much of a problem at all, although de-soldering is rarely fun. I have the tools and experience, so it was over with quickly.

In these pictures you see the newly-installed 8 DIP socket, and the underside, where I direct your attention to the fact that the soldering I did is much shinier than the stock soldering. That's not because I'm better at soldering, it's because I use Cardas "Quad-Eutectic" solder, which I swear by. Perfect joints every time:

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Finally, I selected the beloved TI OPA2107 op-amp to try first, and installed it.

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I put everything back together, plugged it in, and the "power on" indicating LED did not light up. :sigh: Fortunately, I quickly figured out that, due to the less than precise way this amps chassis was originally assembled, I had put the faceplate back on in a manner which partially covers the LED.

I hooked it up to the Naim CDP, and to my relief it worked, so I was happy. What I wasn't happy about was discovering that the still-stock number one headphone jack now only had sound in the right channel. This amp has been on loan for years to a family member, and when I got it back a couple months ago I recall having issues with that side, which is why I switched to the right side. I don't know what it is, but I'm disappointed because I was hoping to switch back and forth so I could compare the upgraded side with the stock side. Oh well.

It's hard for me to say exactly what's improved, although I can say with a fair amount of confidence that there's now more micro-detail, which makes instruments sound a little more like the real thing. The background also seems "blacker" somehow, but I'm at a loss as to why that would be.

Overall it was worth the headache, but I'm not finished yet. I intend to go back in and do some resonance damping, namely with a few electrolytic capacitors. Also, in the penultimate picture above you can see a bag of diodes in the bottom left corner. I got these from Japan years ago but never used any of them, and they're supposedly some of the best diodes around for audio purposes, so once I can verify that they're of the proper value I'll probably install them in a couple key places. And possibly some re-wiring as well.

Then, of course, I have about 8 or 9 other types of dual op-amps to try out. :D It may very well be the case that the 2107 is not an ideal op-amp for this particular circuit and application.


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Awesome read Dave. I've been thinking about getting a solid state HP amp for the bed side table for a while now. I'm choosing solid state because it will be safer than tubes for the bedside since our 2 little ones generally sleep with us ( actually "find" is more the word here - we find them sleeping with us when we wake up in the morning ), and having warm, glowing, electrified tubes here probably isin't so safe. But I'm curious, how does this Project compare sonicly to the LD tube amps? As you know I have AKG 601's, and they sound so smooth and mellow with the LD. As for the dead right channel, have you considered maybe the OPAMP is defective? Swapping it out with a new one, via your socket wouldn't be that bad of an idea because then you'd be able to drop in 2 different OPAMPs and compare both sonic qualities as easy as rotating that front panel selector.

Jimmy
 
Mike (PinkFloyd) at Rock Grotto has also modified this amp and he enjoys its sound much more now. You may want to read on his mods at the Rock Grotto site.
 
Awesome read Dave. I've been thinking about getting a solid state HP amp for the bed side table for a while now. I'm choosing solid state because it will be safer than tubes for the bedside since our 2 little ones generally sleep with us ( actually "find" is more the word here - we find them sleeping with us when we wake up in the morning ), and having warm, glowing, electrified tubes here probably isin't so safe. But I'm curious, how does this Project compare sonicly to the LD tube amps? As you know I have AKG 601's, and they sound so smooth and mellow with the LD. As for the dead right channel, have you considered maybe the OPAMP is defective? Swapping it out with a new one, via your socket wouldn't be that bad of an idea because then you'd be able to drop in 2 different OPAMPs and compare both sonic qualities as easy as rotating that front panel selector.

Jimmy

Thanks Jimmy. I actually forgot about the dead channel until I'd finished everything and re-assembled the case. Next time I open it I'm going to poke around and see if there's any obvious issues, like a broken wire or something. It is a total downer that I can't compare the op-amps side by side - I mean seriously, how often does that kind of scenario occur lol!?

I also only had one socket adapter on hand, but I think I have a couple more at my parents' house, where I have a bunch of things stored.

I've had the Head Box hooked up to the Frybaby all day, and just a little while ago I put on Stevie Wonder's Hotter Than July. If you're not familiar with it, this particular album is definitely over-produced, and the vocals tend to be hot, leading to vocal sibilance issues. However, there's a lot of instrument layering and depth - artificial though it may be - and it sounds absolutely terrific, very highly detailed, very tight.

Mike (PinkFloyd) at Rock Grotto has also modified this amp and he enjoys its sound much more now. You may want to read on his mods at the Rock Grotto site.

Thanks for that tip, I'm going to check that out for sure.
 
Oh, I forgot to answer your question about how the Head Box compares to the LD I+ (bear in mind the I+ is the only Little Dot amp I've heard).

First, at least to my tastes, they both blow the Grado RA-1 out of the water. I know some people like the RA-1, and it gets a really bad rap because of those pictures of its insides on the internet. I don't think it's a bad amp at all. Over-priced, yes, IMO. But I really do feel it's sonically inferior to the Head Box and Little Dot I+.

At this point you're probably pretty familiar with my thoughts on the I+ from the other thread. I think it's an outstanding amp, and I use such strong language specifically with its price in mind. For a little over $100 I think it's a steal, honestly. The I+ has a lively, airy, harmonically rich sound and drives my Grado 325i's with ease.

And now there's the Head Box SE. I really only bothered to go forward with the op-amp upgrade because I could hear the potential it had. But instead of describing how it sounded before, I'll just cut to the chase and describe how it sounds right now. I've struggled to think of the word that describes its sound, and it hit me this evening: delicate. I'm sure some people are laughing now, but let me explain. This is a smooth-sounding amp. It's presentation is quick, neat, and very well-defined (by which I mean the instruments are well-defined). The contrast is sharper than what you get with the I+. So overall I'd say the Head Box SE - with the 2107 op-amp - has a delicate, smooth sound.

Although I do feel it lacks some of the dynamic slam of the I+, I don't think the HB SE is too smooth or anemic-sounding.

As of now, I really, really like what I'm hearing, but I don't want to give the impression that the HB SE is vastly superior to the I+, because, IMO, it isn't. Like I've said before, they have different strengths and weaknesses, but one is not tremendously better than the other. That's how I hear it anyway. I wonder what will happen if I end up replacing all those diodes, and of course what's going to happen when I try another op-amp. I'm thinking the next one should be the LT 1364. I like that one, and I think it would compliment the HB well.

However, opening this thing up requires the removal of 10 screws and all three front-panel knobs, and putting it back together is a pain in the ass because the screws just don't seem to want to go in the way they're supposed to. On top of that, the four screws for the face-plate are a European size hex key socket, and I've already nearly stripped one of them because I don't have the exact size I need to do the job.

So Jimmy, if you can afford it and you're so inclined, I definitely recommend trying out a solid state headphone amp. If I were you, I'd do some research on head-fi to find out what the best options are, and buy one used. That way, if you don't like it (because you really might not), you can flip it and not lose any money. Be prepared for something rather different from the all-tube Little Dot amp you have now, and don't fall into the trap I did of only comparing them briefly and thinking the solid state amp was dry and boring. In fact, of the two, I suspect the Head Box is the more accurate sounding amp.
 
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Great work, op amp sockets are a great invention, let us know which op amps you think are best.
 
Great work, op amp sockets are a great invention, let us know which op amps you think are best.

Thanks, I was hoping you'd see this. ;)

I wish I had some gold-plated op-amp sockets, like the one in the I+, but I can only use what I have on-hand right now. Not the end of the world, but I would think the gold-plated kind would be better for constantly removing and re-installing op-amps.

Incidentally, do you recognize those electrolytic caps in the picture? The kind of purple/blue ones. I've seen them before, but I'd like to know what brand they are.
 
Mike (PinkFloyd) at Rock Grotto has also modified this amp and he enjoys its sound much more now. You may want to read on his mods at the Rock Grotto site.

I took a look at the site, but didn't see the Head Box on his list of modified headphone amps. Any idea where I should look?
 
The plating doesn't matter so much...the construction of the socket does. A machined socket is the thing to use. Those spring 'wipe' style IC sockets have a 'so-so' long term track record.
 

Hmm, money is really tight but maybe I should just bite the bullet and order a few of those. It's not my style to use sub-standard components, and now that you guys brought it up, it's starting to bug me. :D


Thanks for the assistance there. That's actually one of the things I looked at the night I did this whole thing, and sort of "pushed me over the edge," whereas before I was on the fence about whether or not I should do it. I'm not sure I'll be replacing any of the caps, they all look pretty good to me (unlike some of the ones in the guy's amp in the link, which was probably an older version).

The diodes: unfortunately I posed this question in DIY and someone told me my "special" diodes are not really the right kind for this application, and without a schematic, it's not advisable to try it. That's really disappointing.

I am thinking about replacing some of those connector jumper wires with short runs of small gauge solid silver wire. That wouldn't be too hard.
 
Incidentally, do you recognize those electrolytic caps in the picture? The kind of purple/blue ones. I've seen them before, but I'd like to know what brand they are.

They look alot like some Lelon Lytic Caps I have for a TT project I bought recently. But they are a darker Blue than the Lelons. Nichicon Maybe ? the colors right.
 
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Can you not trace the circuit out and post it, you may then get some suggestions for mods.

Well... that's a thought. I'm not sure if I'll take it that far though. It's just that replacing all those diodes would be so easy, so I would have nothing to lose, even if there's no improvement (unless the sound got worse).

I think for now I'm just going to play around with the op-amps, since this has already yielded such a noticeable improvement, even a little more than I'd anticipated. I have an extra pair of those fancy WBT RCA sockets lying around (doesn't everybody? ;) ), so I might try that too.

They look alot like some Lelon Lytic Caps I have for a TT project I bought recently. But they are a darker Blue than the Lelons. Nichicon Maybe ? the colors right.

It's definitely familiar, isn't it? Overall I think they did a decent job with parts selection. Honestly though, in stock form, I think $300 was too much to ask for this amp; you're really paying for the feature of having two amps in one. But for $200, with a better op-amp, now we're talking, IMO.
 
As of now, I really, really like what I'm hearing, but I don't want to give the impression that the HB SE is vastly superior to the I+, because, IMO, it isn't.

If anyone is still interested - I'm beginning to have second thoughts about the above statement. "Vastly superior" would be an exaggeration, but a couple nights ago I pulled out the BB 2107 and installed one of my favorite op-amps (from experimentation with the I+ actually), the LT 1364. Now we're talking! It's hard for me to put into words what I find so appealing about how it now sounds, especially because, at the moment, I'm very, very tired. I hate to use this hackneyed word, but "presence" is one thing that comes to mind. Others include "smooth," "liquid," and "balanced." I'll try to come up with something more useful to you all later on, but I want to update this now by saying that the HB SE with the 1364 op-amp just might have finally edged out the I+ in overall "musicality," ie. enjoyability.

For no particular reason, here is another picture I took after installing the 1364, and note that I will be replacing the current op-amp socket with a machined one as soon as my order from Digi Key arrives:


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Look what came yesterday...

If only we had an air conditioner in my work room. I'm going to have to wait for the terrible humidity to ease up.


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