Radio Station Turntables?

Those old Shures were pretty decent when setup. Noting fancy but gets the job done well. I'd suggest not changing it out until you've done some of other things suggested and get a decent cartridge mounted on it. From memory it'll track well wt about 1.5 grams.

That's what I am aiming to do.

I want to get a base built, and the idler re-rubbered and he motor isolated from the turntable even more.

I like the looks of the Shure, and the feel of it, and it is already mounted...

I had it at 2gm, which is where I run most everything...and that's where my Audio-Technica AT95e cart that will go into it.
 
From what I can see of the motor, it looks like the later Japanese motor that was used on the newer Russco TT's. The earlier ones had Bodine motors. I believe they started using the Japanese motors because they were quieter than the older Bodine motor.
 
From what I can see of the motor, it looks like the later Japanese motor that was used on the newer Russco TT's. The earlier ones had Bodine motors. I believe they started using the Japanese motors because they were quieter than the older Bodine motor.

It has the early light cover thingie, according to the Russco website linked here...

But, if it is quieter, that's definitely a plus. I am thinking of somehow completely isolating the motor from the TT by way of some sort of subchasis and giving it new felt.

I think that those are my first concerns, after getting a new idler. I have access to my school's wood-shop, and to dulcimerlex's wood-shop, too, which is also very well equipped. I think that this is going to be a VERY fun project.

So, how big should he base be? Any recommended woods and weights?

Is it to complex to build a subchasis to completely decouple the motor from the TT?

Also, I noted that the rumble is only -36db......can that be bettered? That seems pretty low. I am also wondering how to dampen the platter, as it rings BADLY.
 
Good looking table VD, I am looking forward to your progress with it! :thmbsp:

Soon as I get $40, it gets a new idler, and then I shall go from there.

This is going to be a great learning experience...and fun. Like school SHOULD be. :yes:
 
Any recommended woods and weights?

Baltic/Latvian/Finnish birch plywood - high quality and with very few and small voids. Probably not available at home depot but at a real lumber yard you should be able to get it. Some people also alternate layers of MDF...get a quality MDF...probably also available at the same place that had the baltic ply.
The MDF won't look good without veneering or painting. The ply can be sanded and finished (oil/stain/varnish/etc) without if that's the look that you want.

Mopic made a cool looking Lenco TT not too long ago. Pics are on here. Vinylengine also has lots of pics in their galleries.
 
Forewarned is Forearmed

First off, congratulations on scoring a great turntable, and at a great price. A lot of people here have given you good advice ( and good links ) as to what will need to be done to improve your Russco. The Russco is a rumbler, but it can be tamed, but at a cost of time and money. The more time and money you throw at it the better it will sound and look. I know from experience, I have a Russco Studio Pro B that I finished last year. I too was impressed with the looks of these turntables and that glorious idler sound, but the rumble really bothered me on quiet passages and in between tracks. So I set out to quiet it down at all costs, this took a lot of time and a fair outlay of cash. I succeeded and I am very proud of my Russco. You can set your goals high with this table, but it won't come easy, cheap, or be just a weekend project. My personal advice to you would be to just use it as it is for now, possibly open up the motor and clean it and re-lube it, clean the bearing well and put in new oil ( the bearing should be pressed into the end of the platter shaft ) and a NEW idler wheel and enjoy the heck out it. Keep the turntable for many years and when you have more time ( and still have the desire ) then you can really quiet it down with a good solid plinth.

Here is a link to some info on my build at Lenco Lovers

http://www.lenco-lovers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=718

and here is link of it on AK

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110509


If you have any questions, just ask

Kim
 
First off, congratulations on scoring a great turntable, and at a great price. A lot of people here have given you good advice ( and good links ) as to what will need to be done to improve your Russco. The Russco is a rumbler, but it can be tamed, but at a cost of time and money. The more time and money you throw at it the better it will sound and look. I know from experience, I have a Russco Studio Pro B that I finished last year. I too was impressed with the looks of these turntables and that glorious idler sound, but the rumble really bothered me on quiet passages and in between tracks. So I set out to quiet it down at all costs, this took a lot of time and a fair outlay of cash. I succeeded and I am very proud of my Russco. You can set your goals high with this table, but it won't come easy, cheap, or be just a weekend project. My personal advice to you would be to just use it as it is for now, possibly open up the motor and clean it and re-lube it, clean the bearing well and put in new oil ( the bearing should be pressed into the end of the platter shaft ) and a NEW idler wheel and enjoy the heck out it. Keep the turntable for many years and when you have more time ( and still have the desire ) then you can really quiet it down with a good solid plinth.

Here is a link to some info on my build at Lenco Lovers

http://www.lenco-lovers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=718

and here is link of it on AK

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110509


If you have any questions, just ask

Kim

I got a TON of time, and not a lot of money....I think that I should have enough for motor mounts, a new idler, and I should have some wood for a better base than it has now, but not a great one.

I shall look at those links in a second. It's nice to hear that these can be tamed, as I REALLY like the looks of these.
 
NEW PICS!

I got them OFF the phone, and there they are in FULL resolution...
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There they are....

better ones tomorrow.
 
Here is a link to some info on my build at Lenco Lovers

http://www.lenco-lovers.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=718

and here is link of it on AK

http://audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=110509


If you have any questions, just ask

Kim

WOW! That's AMAZING. I love the looks of it, and that plinth is BEAUTIFUL!

I know that I could never design something that nice, nor execute it as well. I think that mine will be MUCH more crude for now, and then, once I get better at woodworking, I'll make a better one.

The first thing that I want to figure out is how to decouple the motor. Completely. I want to make some sort of subchassis JUST for the motor and isolate it from the TT as much as possible. I would assume that doing this will make a VAST improvement. Then add rubber feet to a basic plinth, and a new idler wheel, AND clean it up...should be good to go with all that done.

I think that I can use my theater's scene shop to cut and build it....I'll just have to bring in the wood.
 
Getting that $40. should,nt be that hard to... There are plenty of part time jobs out there... You can restore this turntable later, getting enough cash to do it right should be the first order of the day. School is almost over. No excuses.
 
Getting that $40. should,nt be that hard to... There are plenty of part time jobs out there... You can restore this turntable later, getting enough cash to do it right should be the first order of the day. School is almost over. No excuses.

Workin on that one.....

I would do lawns, but I live in an apartment complex and they have a company do those, and I cannot ask for money from my grand mother, so there goes the lawn idea...

I am still working on setting up a record to CD transfer service, and my mother just needs to take me to get the stuff...
 
I know a couple of dozen trying the LP to CD transfer service.. Not much money in that.... But for a fast turnover There are a dozen stockboy jobs.. As a kid a fast one for less than an hours work was sweeping out floors at movie theatres... You dont need to make a carrer out of this..Just quick fast money.. Hobbys can take a back burner,,,They will be waiting for you and be most rewarding... I used to be a go-fer in a recording studio...Go-fer this, go-fer that,,,,But I watched what they were doing... It was like free schooling.. Learned alot... But it put cash in my pocket... I worked my way through school... Hobbies were put on the back burner... Ive only had three fulltime jobs in my life,,, The last one lasted over 30 years,,, And the big bucks really rolled in... The rewards in my audio system is in the 5 figures. The road is long but rewarding if you stick with your primary goal.
 
Nice TT david. :thmbsp:

Both my TTs are idle drive and I have no problem with rumble. It may be a flat spot on the idler itself causing it. Feel around it for a flat spot.
 
Nice TT david. :thmbsp:

Both my TTs are idle drive and I have no problem with rumble. It may be a flat spot on the idler itself causing it. Feel around it for a flat spot.

It's the flat spot. Didn't I already mention that? :scratch2:

I'll have a new story as to what I did to it in a few minutes....

Also, the spec'd rumble is only -36db......that's pretty low. Remember, these were meant for RADIO, not home HiFi.
 
Well, today I went to an older friend's house to help him with some stuff, and he has a lot of tools and lets me use them, so long as I do not make a mess. The TT was still in the car from the night before, and I hit upon the idea of taking it in and working on it, and making some MUCH needed mods to the plinth that it has, notably removing the Phono Pre and power supply for the Pre, and drilling holes for cables.

I helped him out for a couple hours (no, I do not get paid, I do this because I enjoy helping others), and then asked if he had any ideas as to what I could do to modify this. he knows quite a bit about woodworking, and has a lot of nuts and bolts and such laying around.

I put it on a workbench, and I took the platter off, and explained to him what everything was, and how it worked, and what my thoughts on it were, and what the thoughts of AK were, and all about plinths and vibration reduction methods, and my own ideas about what I could do to keep the costs down. I looked on the bottom, and there is the Japanese motor there, FYI. I could also feel a LOT of vibration through the motor mounts, and that concerned me a little…

He said that the box looked well made, and sturdy, and with a little help could be presentable. I thought that I might need to build one that is made with heavier materials, to keep the vibration out more, and make it look presentable. I might keep this box for a while as I am pretty broke.

I took the TT off the plinth, and then looked at the phono preamp, and decided that it needed to come out, so I unscrewed it and its power supply and set them aside. Later, I mounted them to a scrap piece of plywood, but that’s for another thread.

We discussed some options on mounting, and thought of an L shaped bracket from each side of the plinth could be attached to the motor mount, via other empty holes, and then attached to the plinth, and then I would isolate the TT from the plinth.

I was getting fed up with the rails on the side of the plinth, and so I unscrewed them. Then, I took the base and put it so I could drill into the back of it, and I got a ¾” spade bit (biggest I could find), and drilled out 4 holes in a cross shape, one by one, testing the mains plug (bigger than normal) each time I made another hole. I kinda rounded out the hole with a saw from a Swiss army knife….I might use my coping saw to make the job look neater when I get the chance. Now I could run the cords out of the back versus having the base SIT on the cords. The plinth amazingly is perfectly level, verified by 2 different levels, so I think that it might be salvageable and useable until I make a HUGE plinth. Maybe with a new plywood top, though. I want to have a new mounting surface free of old holes….

I then went looking inside a huge old set of drawers that had not been looked at in 30 years. I cam up with 3 huge washer lookin things, and those were the best that I could do, isolation wise, for the moment. I only had 2 screws, so we went to the Home Depot (I had $6 on me) and got some more screws and 4 nylon washers to put down between the screw head and the finish protect the finish. I could only find flathead screws, but that is ok. I put the screws initially with a drill, and I ended up stripping the 2 holes I tried, so I had to reposition the TT in the plinth, and put in 4 new holes. I put the 3 washers in-between the plinth and TT, 2 in the front and one at the back and put a level on the platter as I screwed down the TT, and I got it perfectly level everywhere.


That’s what I have gotten done today with that TT. More to come sometime when I get more free time.

Yea, that was really long.
 
Here's a scan from an old mid-sixties Lafayette catalog showing the Shure 232 arm and a few others of the day.

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Here's a scan from an old mid-sixties Lafayette catalog showing the Shure 232 arm and a few others of the day.

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Celt, you are AMAZING. :yes:

Now, just to get some pics of the mods....

BTW, I showed it to dulcimerlex, and she thinks that it looks good, too. :D
 
Better pics:

The washer and isolator setup as of now:
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The hole that I made in the back:
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better pic of it...
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BTW, that's a stuffed dog from when I was little.....:D
 
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