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Realistic t-200

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Hello everyone I don't post her much but I need your opinion, I scored today on some realistic t200 and T100 speakers, everything works on both of them and the cabinets are in great shape, on the t200 someone replaced the 16 ohm woofers with 8 ohm woofers right now these are wired in parallel I've heard some people wire these in series or should I keep them parallel, they sound great as they are pretty tight Bass although the l-paz needs some cleaning, the t100s are all original the foams on them are original but are in great shape I'll reform them when necessary, my main question is how should I be wiring these 8 ohm woofers thanks guys
 
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If the T-200 crossover includes an actual woofer low pass filter then its intended roll-off frequency is designed for an approx. 8Ω load impedance.
Running two 8Ω woofers either in series for 16Ω, or in parallel for 4Ω will significantly change the roll-off frequency.

For example, assume a 1st order low pass with an inductor sized for 500Hz crossover using stock 16Ω woofers in parallel for 8Ω.
Two 8Ω woofers in parallel for 4Ω now rolls off at 250Hz, potentially leaving a response hole (dip) before the mid takes over.
Two 8Ω woofers in series for 16Ω now rolls off at 1000Hz, possibly causing interference with the midrange.
This simplified example assumes all else equal between stock and replacement woofers other than impedance.

Another issue is differences in effective sensitivity -- how loudness in dB compares for the different wiring schemes when fed the same signal voltage level.
Wired in parallel theoretically yields +6db vs a single driver; +3dB for doubling of drivers on the baffle and +3db for halving load impedance.
Wired in series is a wash; add +3dB for doubling drivers but -3dB for doubling impedance, cancelling any sensitivity gain.

How this plays out in the T-200 depends on how sensitivity of replacement woofers in either wiring arrangement compares to stock. If your bass sounds balanced now while wired in parallel, it may sound weak wired in series, unless mid and tweeter level controls can be adjusted down to match.

Then there's an amplifier safety consideration. With typically a lot of energy in the bass department, the amplifier must be able to provide adequate current to keep itself out of trouble when driving 4Ω.

Without manufacturer and/or measured data for system and components (and amp), it would be challenging to predict best of either connection scheme. Lacking testimony from others using those exact same replacements, you're left with comparative listening sessions between paralleled and series woofers to decide which offers best subjective performance
 
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Stuart is dead on. Radio Shack often ran their woofers without a crossover on them. The T-100 used a single cap on the tweeter. If I had a pair of T-200s needing woofers, I'd use the 4 ohm Goldwood GW-1034 wired in series to create an 8 ohm load. OR......use a pair of 8 ohm Goldwood GW-1038s in parallel creating a 4 ohm load, adding an additional inductor to the lower woofer making the speaker a 3.5-way. You might be able to make the necessary adjustments to the mid and tweeter using their L-pads. I have added an inductor to the T-100s with great success, making them a 2.5-way.
 
The components in a crossover have their effect by blocking some portion of the frequency range (capacitors and coils) or the whole range (resistors). So the effect of crossovers is to lower the dynamic range of the speaker for a given amp. And, of course, those crossover components add to the cost. Not much, but by the time you have taken account of the profit margins of the maker, the distributor and the retailer, it may make the difference between a sale and the customer choosing another speaker - the audio market is a harsh one.
So if you can design a woofer than inherently rolls off smoothly at the frequency you want it to, and a tweeter that can handle enough midrange power to survive being used into the midrange, you can make a more dynamic, cheaper speaker - that was EPI's ticket to market success, and to its continued excellent reputation. Or you can assume that the extra racket of the woofer having output way higher than its appropriate range will simply make the speaker sound louder (which initially sounds better) and will not hurt sales.
It's been decades since I picked up a pair of T100s, and I can't remember what they sounded like. They looked great, but I passed them on very quickly, so I wasn't too impressed, but I already had a system I was happy with, so I didn't listen too carefullty.
 
I have the T100 that sound pretty decent but I also have the t200 they sound a lot better, the build quality on both of the cabinets are very good cabinets are heavy and solid plus they look great I've restored both of mine they are some nice looking speakers
 
Why do you think realistic ran some speakers without a crossover, is that good or bad
I had some Realistic Optimus 10's. A two-way with a 10" PR, 8" woofer and 3-1/2" tweeter. The only crossover component was a single electrolytic cap on the tweeters.
 
I think it is unhelpfully reductive to say that the reason for using no crossover, or a minimal crossover, is simply cost. Crossovers cannot add anything to a speaker system - all they can do is minimize the various defects of all real world drivers. These defects include limited frequency range, which neccessitates more than one driver, which is why crossovers exist at all, low power handling, peaks and troughs in frequency response, and so on. A well designed crossover can dramatically improve the sound of a set of drivers, but it always comes at the cost of some loss of efficiency and some effect on amplifier loading.
And of course, any crossover adds to the cost of the drivers themselves and the enclosure. Any crossover design and component costs must be recouped somewhere, and the drivers or enclosure are where those expenses can be made up. At a given price point, the more complex the crossover, the worse the drivers or enclosure will have to be. At the lower end, what might seem like a small difference in cost can be very significant (remember the rule of thumb that manufacturing costs are about a quarter, or less, of the selling price).
So it is very possible for a manufacturer for a given price to make a better sounding speaker with a minimal crossover than one with a more complex crossover.

Two other thoughts - I'd rather a manufacturer saved money by using an electrolytic capacitor than a film cap if the difference means a better driver can be used. Replacing caps is easy and cheap, whereas redesigning a speaker with the same better driver is going to cost much more.
And as a fan of Lowther and other full range speakers, I suggest listening to a good pair of speakers that use a whizzer cone before condemning speakers with no crossover (actually, no electronic crossover, since there is functionally a mechanical crossover).
 
I experimented with adding a three-way crossover to T-200s. It was awful, dull and lifeless. In the end, I just replaced the mid and tweet capacitors with original values, replaced the internal wiring, and all was well.

Another hint: If you use a common 10-band equalizer and turn up the 32 Hz control most of the way, you can get an incredible low end out of the T-200. I get tight and musical low notes into the low 20Hz range, without boominess.
 
If you are boosting the low end, keep in mind that significantly more amplifier power will be required, and this may present issues - keep an ear out for distortion.
 
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