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Recieved my darTZeel NHB-108 copy from China

It's actual glass, not plexiglass ;)

I believe the genuine amp uses glass as well. Theoretically so interference generated by the amp itself reflects out of the amp rather than bouncing around inside.

Of course the genuine product also uses higher grade parts and has two metal barriers to physically divide it into quarters to protect each component from self generated interference. I've no doubt that the real thing is better. $18,000 better though? I can't see that being possible. Certainly out of my price range though so I guess I'll never know
 
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TEA FOR ONE said:
That is one sweet looking amp. Enjoy!
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Definitely doing so. Yesterday when I got home from work and powered it on it was immediately better than previous sessions and continued to improve over the night. Someone's going to box me in the ear for saying this, though it was absolutely sublime :)
 
mjw21a said:
Definitely doing so. Yesterday when I got home from work and powered it on it was immediately better than previous sessions and continued to improve over the night. Someone's going to box me in the ear for saying this, though it was absolutely sublime :)
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Yeah but how did it measure? :jump: :blah: :boring:
Nice amp! :rockon:
 
fredgarvin said:
Yeah but how did it measure? :jump: :blah: :boring:
Nice amp! :rockon:
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Lol.... Noooo idea. Nothing but sonic bliss with the occasional is there someone inside / outside the house moments.... Thinking someone was flooring it down our street with one track.... Spookily real :D
 
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Another beauty pic taken this afternoon

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Oh wow, that thing is watching you in the dark. Be sure and behave
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And congrats on the sound :beerchug:
 
Stefan Wood said:
I want substantiated reports from someone like you that show that these Chi-Fis kill people. Otherwise, your observations mean nothing.
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With respect, that's a ridiculous standard.

Have you any concerns, MJW, about the obvious IP theft? There are many arguments that it shouldn't matter — if China can produce such a great unit for so little $$, then clearly the original's $18K price tag is grossly inflated. Why must only the 1% enjoy sonic bliss, if we peasants can have it too?

On the other hand, I'm a screenwriter. One of my movies opened the Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia (I didn't even know they had a festival in Tunisia, but they flew me over first-class and put me in a classic hotel on the beach, so why not?)

It was opening night, gala premiere, a total gas to be there. Frankly I hate the way my script was directed/edited, and there are scenes so badly done I can't bear to watch, too painful. I always turn around to judge the audience reactions, their faces brightly illuminated from the light of the screen.

Six rows behind me, a guy had a video camera on a tripod set up in the aisle. He was pirating my movie straight off the screen! Next day thousands of copies would be all over the streets, and they'd sell out fast — the festival is a big deal there, and my movie generated fierce controversy for weeks before it was even shown, so there was high awareness, it would be a hot item. The pirate would make a lot of money. And I wouldn't, though I did all the work, birthed that baby in long painful labor.

I was out of my seat in a flash and charged over to him. In my lamest high-school French I said "Que the **** faite vous?!!!" (What the **** are you doing?!!!) I shouted it. Hundreds of heads turned and watched.

He was totally flustered. He knew I was the writer because I was on stage before the film started, giving a speech, translated into Arabic, then French, through massive Altec speakers to an audience of 2000. Now I was in his face breathing fire. He nervously babbled a rapid stream of French I couldn't understand but didn't care.

"ARRETÉ!! MAINTENANT!!!!" (STOP! NOW!!!) I'd have added some nasty words if I'd known them.

He didn't react, he was frozen. I began knocking his camera, ruining his shot. To be sure he couldn't still use it, I knocked the entire tripod over, into his lap. Didn't break anything but the message was clear.

Suddenly I had an overwhelming wave of paranoia — I, a white American, just assaulted an Arab in a crowd of 2000 Arabs. I had visions of them defending the Umma, and a hundred scimitars thrusting into my guts.

I went back to my seat, next to the director Arthur Penn. He looked up at me — "Wow. Just Wow."

A minute later, I looked behind again. The guy was gone, and there was scramble to grab the empty seat — the crowd was standing-room-only. And there was no sign of a Jihadist uprising — they were totally engrossed in the movie.

So obviously I have a different perspective on IP theft. Even so, I'm not on a moral high-horse, I'd love to have that pirate amp, might even buy it.

But there's a reason it's wrong.
 
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bimasta said:
With respect, that's a ridiculous standard.

Have you any concerns, MJW, about the obvious IP theft? There are many arguments that it shouldn't matter — if China can produce such a great unit for so little $$, then clearly the original's $18K price tag is grossly inflated. Why must only the 1% enjoy sonic bliss, if we peasants can have it too?

On the other hand, I'm a screenwriter. One of my movies opened the Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia (I didn't even know they had a festival in Tunisia, but they flew me over first-class and put me in a classic hotel on the beach, so why not?)

It was opening night, gala premiere, a total gas to be there. Frankly I hate the way my script was directed/edited, and there are scenes so badly done I can't bear to watch, too painful. I always turn around to judge the audience reactions, their faces brightly illuminated from the light of the screen.

Six rows behind me, a guy had a video camera on a tripod set up in the aisle. He was pirating my movie straight off the screen! Next day thousands of copies would be all over the streets, and they'd sell out fast — the festival is a big deal there, and my movie generated fierce controversy for weeks before it was even shown, so there was high awareness, it would be a hot item. The pirate would make a lot of money. And I wouldn't, though I did all the work, birthed that baby in long painful labor.

I was out of my seat in a flash and charged over to him. In my lamest high-school French I said "Que the **** faite vous?!!!" (What the **** are you doing?!!!) I shouted it. Hundreds of heads turned and watched.

He was totally flustered. He knew I was the writer because I was on stage before the film started, giving a speech, translated into Arabic, then French, through massive Altec speakers to an audience of 2000. Now I was in his face breathing fire. He nervously babbled a rapid stream of French I couldn't understand but didn't care.

"ARRETÉ!! MAINTENANT!!!!" (STOP! NOW!!!) I'd have added some nasty words if I'd known them.

He didn't react, he was frozen. I began knocking his camera, ruining his shot. To be sure he couldn't still use it, I knocked the entire tripod over, into his lap. Didn't break anything but the message was clear.

Suddenly I had an overwhelming wave of paranoia — I, a white American, just assaulted an Arab in a crowd of 2000 Arabs. I had visions of them defending the Umma, and a hundred scimitars thrusting into my guts.

I went back to my seat, next to the director Arthur Penn. He looked up at me — "Wow. Just Wow."

A minute later, I looked behind again. The guy was gone, and there was scramble to grab the empty seat — the crowd was standing-room-only. And there was no sign of a Jihadist uprising — they were totally engrossed in the movie.

So obviously I have a different perspective on IP theft. Even so, I'm not on a moral high-horse, I'd love to have that pirate amp, might even buy it.

But there's a reason it's wrong.
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Truthfully, no. The designer isn't missing a sale as I can't afford the real thing. If I could I'd buy it. It's undoubtedly a better built product with better parts and factory backed warranty. I think it's fair to say I'm only getting a portion of the sound of the real thing.

Back when I could afford even less I'd get bootleg copies of movies though now I'm older and a bit wealthier I'd much rather rent or go see a film at the cinema. It's more hassle free with better picture and sound quality. In each instance it's only enabling those who can't afford the real thing.

We may have different points of view on this though only from different viewpoints I've always found your pieces well written and informative :)
 
I have one on order . I would have preferred it not look like the original one a black or silver case would be fine . I can see why the Chinese copied that amp the color is very appealing to the Chinese . The other thing I noticed when doing my research of this amp the Six Moons review site had the circuit diagram . I know Nelson Pass shares his designs with the audio community . I have been wanting to try a good SS amp in my system . If it drives my speakers as well as my VTL 100 s I will be a happy pirate .
 
I'm with you there. I'm delighted with mine. One day it will need a full rebuild though until that day, or the day I can afford the genuine product, it's not coming out of my system.

Tonight I get to hook up my new Chinese speakers

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Wow..... First time I've used the desktop site in ages. Seems the signatures are shown. They're left out on the mobile site.
 
I can't believe this Chinese knock-off of the Swiss $20k amp for $660. Those Chinese thieves stole their design, probably uses inferior parts, and have no shame to make it look like the original too.
 
enginedr said:
I have one on order . I would have preferred it not look like the original one a black or silver case would be fine . I can see why the Chinese copied that amp the color is very appealing to the Chinese . The other thing I noticed when doing my research of this amp the Six Moons review site had the circuit diagram . I know Nelson Pass shares his designs with the audio community . I have been wanting to try a good SS amp in my system . If it drives my speakers as well as my VTL 100 s I will be a happy pirate .
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Hey, have you received yours yet?
 
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