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Repeatable VTA for Thorens Tone arms

I was just sharing some info with a fellow AKer and thought the following copy and paste could be helpful for those that will need to use spacer/shims to correctly adjust VTA on their Thorens tables.



The spacers. There were a lot of Thorens models that included an original spacer kit and screw set. I found mine from a TD-147 Jubilee. They are all 1/2" mount headshells and metric 2mm screws so any "Thorens" set will work. They are however as rare as hens teeth. Keep a regular eye out and patience will reward. Mine took eight months of daily searching.

In the mean time you are going to have to make some. Find some plastic of different thicknesses and cut to shape. Drill the screw holes. Drill out some more holes to reduce weight. When I first mounted my AT-440MLa I needed a 2mm spacer. I searched the house and shed for days looking for a plastic of the right thickness. The answer had been staring me in the face in the form of a non-working pedestle fan. It's plastic housing was exactly 2mm thick. Although since then I have aquired the original spacer set, I still use my home made spacer on my main headshell. If you can't find the right thickness in a plastic that is required you can always use 2,3,4 thickness of a thinner plastic. I spaced out a tonearm lift on the BFU-121 with 3 sections of plastic from an ice cream container that added to 2mm just recently.

Screws. These you can't make and what I found to be very hard to get locally. There are sets that you can buy on ebay from Europe. You need a range of about 6 or more different lengths from about 6mm - 20mm. Of all the screws I've scrounged, some are magnetic and other aren't (aluminium). A quick test with a small magnet will confirm. The original Thoren screw set is magnetic and should be avoided with the use of MC carts.
 
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Thorens Headshell Screws

Screws. These you can't make and what I found to be very hard to get locally. There are sets that you can buy on ebay from Europe. You need a range of about 6 or more different lengths from about 6mm - 20mm. Of all the screws I've scrounged, some are magnetic and other aren't (aluminium). A quick test with a small magnet will confirm. The original Thoren screw set is magnetic and should be avoided with the use of MC carts.

Look for M2 x .4 x 8mm or 10mm - I bought a bunch of these a year or so back - here is a link:

http://www.fastener-express.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=276

They are stainless steel and only slightly magnetic and they have worked very well for me on two Thorens headshell projects. It is a pain having to buy in quantity (if you need some 8mm or 10mms please let me know - I have a few spares) but the price was by no means an issue at about $2 per pkg of 50 and postage to Canada was also not outrageous.

Chris
 
Here's a few pics.

You'll notice I have the arm quite low. Even with the 2mm spacer on the headshell, the arm is still maybe 1mm low at the headshell end.

Seems to be only the TP 16 arm that has this issue.

I'm happy with the sound with this set up, so I haven't bothered to adjust it further.


Lee

I have a problem: I wish I could set my TA that slow!
My TP 11 TA (TD165) does not slide lower that it was and can only be moved up, not down, which I'd need in order to level it.
Can it be blocked or something?
Any ideas?
 
Nevermind!
I'm sorry....
I kind of panicked... ;-)
In the rush (4 month old baby around the house) I didn't really try to slid it.
Now it does, it was just a bit blocked after I don't know how many years!

But the problem is now the lever that is used to slowly lower the stylus on the record is always too high, even at its lowermost position, so no matter how low I slide the TA in the collar, there will always be the lever in the way, avoiding the TA to be leveled...
The stylus won't reach the record surface if I lower the TA so that it'd be leveled...

Pasquale
 
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But the problem is now the lever that is used to slowly lower the stylus on the record is always too high, even at its lowermost position, so no matter how low I slide the TA in the collar, there will always be the lever in the way, avoiding the TA to be leveled...
The stylus won't reach the record surface if I lower the TA so that it'd be leveled...

Pasquale

On the side of that lever is another small allen head screw, loosen it up and you can adjust the tonearm rest.
 
On the side of that lever is another small allen head screw, loosen it up and you can adjust the tonearm rest.

Done.
It is at its lowest.
I had to be satisfied with the TA dipping slightly toward the headshell...
But I'd like to understand why I can't level it...

I also think it affects the weight on the stylus...
 
Done.
It is at its lowest.
I had to be satisfied with the TA dipping slightly toward the headshell...
But I'd like to understand why I can't level it...

I also think it affects the weight on the stylus...

You probably need to install some spacers to get the stylus mounted far enough below the center line of the arm. Thorens supplied a variety of plastic spacer for just this purpose. The original kit consisted of 1x .5mm, 2x 1mm and 1x 2mm spacers IIRC.
 
It doesn't look like there is one to fit the Thorens arm, although they have them to fit a lot more arms than they used to, perhaps if we wait long enough. :scratch2:
 
Just a point to keep in mind when adjusting the height of a tonearm is to also adjust the lifter arm height as well. On a stock Thorens deck you do not want to put pressure on the spring suspension, not to mention the tonearm shaft if the lifter is too high after adjusting TA height and you park the arm in the holder. One modification I am considering trying is to add a thin strip of some self stick felt on top of the lifter arm, stopping just short of where the arm would be returned to the rest, as you see on a number of lift arms by other manufacturers. This would give a little more leeway when adjusting the lifter height. This might also assist those who have cartridges that require shims where the lifter may have to be set at maximum height.
Just a suggestion.
 
After years I understood what was my problem back then: I had a very thin felt mat. So the record's surface was a few mm lower than normal. No wonder the tonearm was dipping towards the record! Now I have a 5 mm acrylic mat and I've been able to set the VTA, with no problems from the armrest also (actually I set the tonearm height so that it is horizontal when playing 180 g records). Of course I used (self made) headshell spacers to put the stylus tip where it is intended to be (hope the measurings are right - I don't have the gauge).
 
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