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ReVox B790 Turntable - Motor Servicing Hints & Lessons Learned

John Tulett

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Purpose

* To share hints and lessons learned from the service I performed on my B790's turntable motor.
* An important focus of this lessons learned is how to separate the motor's rotor and stator assemblies safely and easily.

History
* My ReVox B790 Linatrack turntable serial number 004778 I purchased new in July 1978 from REW Audio Visual Co. Ltd, London, England.
* I enjoyed using my B790 throughout multiple worldwide assignments, however in 1983 when I purchased a new Oracle Premiere turntable my ReVox turntable went into storage for some 30 years.
* Before powering up after long storage, I purchased a comprehensive 'Full Monty' B790 overhaul kit from Nagravox http://www.nagravox.com and completed the replacement of all parts included in this excellent kit.
* However, after installing the kit and powering up, the platter spin was erratic and could not be controlled.
* Actually (and fortunately), there was nothing wrong with either the overhaul kit or the motor, but I learned my lesson the hard way. Investigating the Motor Control Board 1.179.152 found its operation was unstable causing the motor to lose control and behave erratically - this I have fixed and will document and share in a separate post.
* Please find my comments and suggestions, how to separate the B790 motor's rotor and stator assemblies safely and easily, and some straightforward motor checks.

Figure 1. Refurbished B790 Linatrack turntable - serial number 004778

Special Tools and Jigs
* Small circlip pliers suitable for circlips size 7mm.
* Homemade wooden jig to support the turntable assembly when turned upside down.

Materials
* New circlips size 7mm (not a common size).
* PDP 65 lubricant or synthetic lubricant for turntable spindle bearings, as required.
* Moly grease for thrust bearing.

Dis-assembly
* Unless you really need to, try to avoid removing the whole motor from the top chassis. In my case I had to first remove the motor and tonearm to have the metal work professionally re-painted at an industrial paint shop (the original Nextel paint had become faded and was flaking off). Pulling out the full motor risks losing one or more of the 6 thin spacer shims between motor and chassis, furthermore these thin spacer shims are frustrating to reinstall - as I found out the hard way.
* By separating only the rotor from the stator, with the stator still attached to the top chassis will allow sufficient inspection of the stator coils.
* On the underneath of the motor, remove the three slot-head screws from the bearing thrust plate. Be careful not to break or remove the tiny wire strand(s) in the bearing well (Fig. 8).
* Using circlip pliers carefully remove the top 7mm circlip and flat washer.
* Next the tacho-toothed plate can be removed (Fig. 2).

Figure 2. B790 motor with tacho-toothed disc installed (left) and with disc removed (right) .

* While the 7mm circlips can be discarded and replaced with new, you need to retain the Belleville conical washers and low-friction shims.
* Important, take a photo showing the sequence order and orientation of all parts as they must be reinstalled in the same way otherwise the motor won't operate properly - as I found out the hard way with a Belleville conical washer reinstalled facing the opposite direction.

Figure 3. Order of dis-assembly, left to right; Outer (top) 7mm circlip, top washer, toothed tacho-disc, spacer plate, two Belleville conical washers, inner (bottom) 7mm circlip, three low-friction shims (one is hidden underneath)

* To safely separate the rotor and stator assemblies avoid using a pulley removal tool or levers - no matter how hard I tried with this method I was not successful! I believe the reason is because a significant amount of effort is required to overcome two strong forces:
a) The heavy weight of the rotor assembly.
b) Added to the strong magnetic pull of the rotor's magnet.
* I came up with a simpler method which I believe is quicker, requires no pulling tool or levers, and is gentler on the motor's parts with no damage inflicted from inserting levers. This method worked well.
* As mentioned, do not remove the motor from the top chassis. This brings two benefits:
1. The chassis acts as a frame holding the stator, providing a larger surface area to grip the stator.
2. No need to remove the thin spacer shims - these thin shims are easy to lose and frustrating to align during re-assembly.
* Place the chassis upside down on the wooden support jig. This way, gravity is helping to pull the heavy weight of the rotor assembly away from the strong magnetic pull of the rotor's magnet.

Figure 4. Top chassis placed upside down with rotor in place - note bare spindle is exposed

* With one hand under the wooden support jig to catch the rotor assembly when it falls, and the other hand above, simply push on the exposed spindle from above and the rotor assembly should drop down.

Figure 5. Rotor assembly pushed down below the wooden support jig.

* The top chassis can then be turned right-side up to inspect the stator coils. While I was worried about finding a broken conductor or scratched coil, fortunately this was not the case with all coils intact.

Figure 6. Inspection of stator coils.

* What I did observe though was the internal plastic locating plug had become loose.
ReVox B790 Service Note #67.18
"If an audible clank occurs when starting, stopping or changing the speed of the turntable, the plastic locating lug of the coil assembly inside the motor has become worn with the result that it has too much play in the slot in which it engages. To correct this condition, the motor has to be dis-assembled to gain access to the coil assembly. (Carefully observe the sequence of circlips and washers etc. for later re-assembly.) Once access is gained to the coil assembly apply a few drops of quick setting cement (Cyano Acrylate, Loctite etc.) so that it will seep in between plastic and metal parts. Carefully re-assemble the motor and watch out not to pinch your fingers because the powerful magnet pulls the two sections together with great force.
On late production units the parts were cemented together during assembly already."


Figure 7. Inspection of the internal plastic (black-coloured) locating plug - fixed with a small drop of epoxy glue

Re-assembly
* Using new circlips 7 mm size, re-assemble all parts in the reverse order from dis-assembly. Ensure the side of each Belleville washer faces in the same direction as before - this is important to maintain the spring characteristic to keep all spindle parts in compression.
* When fitting the top circlip, 7 mm size, make sure that the circlip fits correctly inside the spindle's groove - you need to push down on the toothed-tacho disc assembly to compress the Belleville washers.
* When applying a small amount of Moly grease to the thrust bearing well be careful not to break or remove the tiny wire strand(s) (Fig. 8).
* When fastening the thrust bearing plate, it must lie flat against the stator assembly, with the three slot-head screws fully tightened so that the spindle, and hence the rotor is pushed up to rotate clear from the stator.

Figure 8. Thrust bearing with wire strand in-place

Electrical Checks after Motor Re-assembly
* After re-assembly, recommend checking the electrical continuity of the coils.
* There are four (4) Motor Coils - For the B790, typically 55-60 ohms DC resistance measured between Connector Pins; #1 and #6, #1 and #8, #1 and #10, #1 and #12.
* Tachometer Coil - For the B790, typically 24-28 ohms DC resistance between Connector Pins #14 and #15.

Figure 9. DC resistance check of tachometer coil - rotor stationary

* Spinning the rotor by hand should generate a small varying AC voltage at wire harness pins #14 and #15.

Figure 10. Tachometer AC signal while spinning the rotor by hand


* From this experience I believe the motor can be considered 'ready to go' if all electrical checks are good and the rotor can be spun freely by hand with no noisy or scratching sounds.

Operational Checks after Turntable Re-assembly
* With the B790's phono leads connected to input of preamp and the preamp's line outputs connected to the AnalogMagik test package showed:
a) Exceptionally stable speed of 33 1/3 rpm corresponding to measured test frequency of 3,150 Hz.
b) Measured Wow & Flutter under 0.1%.
* Considering this is a 45-year-old turntable I was very pleased with these results.

Figure 11. After re-assembly, Wow & Flutter results - measured December 2022

Final comments
* The reason for this writing is to share my experience servicing a ReVox B790 turntable motor. At time of this writing the turntable has been operating without issue for 7 months now.
* As mentioned, there was nothing wrong with either the overhaul kit or the motor, it was the Motor Control Board 1.179.152 where I found operation was unstable - this I fixed and will document and share in a separate post.
* Pleased to report my ReVox B790 turntable now tracks and plays LPs flawlessly, just like it used to!
 

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Please have mods combine the related posts for reference continuity.

Dear Pio1980,


Thank you for your reading my recent post.


In reply to your feedback, "Please have mods combine the related posts for reference continuity."

From reviewing the Studer ReVox documentation the only mod I could find pertaining to servicing the B790 motor was their Service Note #67.18 described on page 5 of my report, “If an audible clank occurs when starting, stopping or changing the speed of the turntable, the plastic locating lug of the coil assembly inside the motor has become worn with the result that it has too much play in the slot in which it engages. To correct this condition, the motor has to be dis-assembled to gain access to the coil assembly. (Carefully observe the sequence of circlips and washers etc. for later re-assembly.) Once access is gained to the coil assembly apply a few drops of quick setting cement (Cyano Acrylate, Loctite etc.) so that it will seep in between plastic and metal parts. Carefully re-assemble the motor and watch out not to pinch your fingers because the powerful magnet pulls the two sections together with great force.
On late production units the parts were cemented together during assembly already."


Back in 1978 board revisions were issued to the 1.179.152 Motor Control Circuit, however I understand these component changes were related to the operational performance and not about servicing the motor itself.

The purpose of this motor servicing lessons learned was to share my experience how to separate the motor's rotor and stator assemblies safely and easily, and to a lessor extent some important electrical checks to the motor after reassembly as I had not seen this documented previously.

I'm new to the AudioKarma site and this was my first post, please let me know if there are procedures I should follow so I can improve the content of my submitted documentation.

Thank you,
John
 
Welcome John!
Grateful to have you posting your contributions here.
I can suggest little at this time, the site services have just been moved to a new server and some features may yet not be fully functional like searches.
There have been some postings detailing problem solving with Revox Linatrack TTs that may relate to your spindle motor subtopic, tho I do not recall specifics. We had at least one prolific knowledgeable poster with the service manuals and service bulletins ( Dale @boyerd001 ?).
Otherwise, a general web search referencing AK may yield desired related data.
 
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Please have mods combine the related posts for reference continuity.

Dear Pio1980,

In reply to your feedback, "Please have mods combine the related posts for reference continuity."

From reviewing the Studer ReVox documentation the only mod I could find pertaining to servicing the B790 motor was ...

I could be wrong, (and please correct me if I am, @Pio1980 ), but I believe Pio was using the term "mods" to mean "moderators," i.e., the people who manage this forum and are capable of relocating posts, and not "modifications," and the suggestion was to have your detailed and well-organized writeup placed within another thread regarding the B790. Internet contractions can sometimes create confusion.
 
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I could be wrong, (and please correct me if I am, @Pio1980 ), but I believe Pio was using the term "mods" to mean "moderators," i.e., the people who manage this forum and are capable of relocating posts, and not "modifications," and the suggestion was to have your detailed and well-organized writeup placed within another thread regarding the B790. Internet contractions can sometimes create confusion.
Quite right, ref site moderators, not modifications.
 
I could be wrong, (and please correct me if I am, @Pio1980 ), but I believe Pio was using the term "mods" to mean "moderators," i.e., the people who manage this forum and are capable of relocating posts, and not "modifications," and the suggestion was to have your detailed and well-organized writeup placed within another thread regarding the B790. Internet contractions can sometimes create confusion.

Dear MuseChaser and Pio1980,

Thank you for clarifying the term "mods" was referring to "moderators" (sorry for my misunderstanding, I'm from the engineering world where "mods" was an abbreviation for "modifications").
Yes that's fine if the moderators would like to link my document to a thread pertaining to the ReVox B790 turntable, let me know if I can be of any help.

Side note, I did read through the many helpful B790 posts on the AudioKarma site, but did not see content describing how I separated the motor's rotor and stator assemblies, and the important electrical checks to the motor after reassembly hence the reason for my posting and sharing.
I will be pleased if my experience helps facilitate the repair or restoration of any other member's B790 turntable.

Thank you,
John
 
An excellent report, John!

I've done this a few years ago (more than nine, I notice now...man, time does fly!), but in a slightly different way. I was curious, so I took the whole shebbang appart and secured the coil assembly with a screw/screws (I thought about glue, wedge and what not), because it was stubbernly claimed this motors fail regulary and can't be repaired, nor reasonably disassembled. As far as I'm concerned, they are immortal - I didn't find a single report about a motor proven dead/beyond repair. If anything, failing to oil the sintered bronze bearings will eventually destroy it, although they can be made to demand (I suppose it all comes down to the cost), if not readily available..

Now clean the pulleys, cord and rails, if not done yet.

A trick to separate stator and rotor easier, with less effort and worries you're doing something wrong...push the axle in until they "separate". With pulling by hand you can't control the angle and force of each finger, so the axle get's "tilted and wedged" and gives the feeling one is going to ruin something.

Another example of my idiotic curiousity, which may be interesting, is taking the whole tonearm-shebbang apart...here.


Perry, the motors are completelly different, so not much relevance:
- B790 Papst motor...basically a Dual EDS1000
- B795, B791, B291 and H9 (as well the modified ones by Empire Scientific) share a Revox designed/built one.
 
I wonder how much is relevant to the newer B791 motor. Most of it, I would think.

Hello Perry,

Thank you for reading through my B790 Turntable Motor Servicing report.
Noted member 'borchee' has kindly replied already, indeed there were two different motors, the one installed in the B790 and the one installed in the B791, B795 and B291 series. Although their operation and control is similar, they are physically different motors.
While I have no experience with the B791/B795/B291 motor, I believe the motor electrical checks I described in the B790 motor servicing report could be applied to your motor.

Consulting the ReVox B791 Service Manual, circuit diagram Section 4/11 shows.
https://www.reeltoreel.nl/studer/Public/Products/Revox/Revox_B791-B795/Revox_B791-B795_Serv.pdf
- The Tachometer Coil leads, colors 'red' and 'brn' connected to Motor Control PCB connector J4 pins #10 and #11 respectively.
- The Motor Coil leads, 'blk', 'grn' and 'yel' (common) connected to Motor Control PCB connector J4 pins #1, #6 and #7 (ground) respectively.

With the motor lead disconnected from connector J4, you should be able to measure the DC resistance (continuity) and insulation of the tachometer and motor coils.
With an AC millivolt meter connected to the tachometer coil leads, spinning the motor by hand should display a small varying voltage.

As mentioned in the report, if the motor electrical checks are good and the rotor can be spun freely by hand with no noisy or scratching sounds I believe the motor can be considered ‘ready to go’ - if the turntable suffers from a speed control issue or erratic speed the problem is likely elsewhere.
This is what I found, there was nothing really wrong with my B790 motor and I eventually traced the problem to aging components on the B790 Motor Control Board and Power Supply Board.
You can see this documented in my report, 'ReVox B790 Turntable Erratic Speed Control - Hints & Lessons Learned'.
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index...-speed-control-hints-lessons-learned.1025346/

Again, I have no experience with the B791 motor, but I hope this information may be helpful.

Thank you,
John
 
Hi John,

here's a preventive meassure for you to do...there's a high chance the power knob guide will break, so you should reinforce it. The guide is still available from Revox, I believe, and there are 3D-printed ones offered, but why wait?

Mine had broke, so I repaired it with superglue (liquid, not gel) and sewing thread - quick, easy, cheap and good. The procedure:

- if already broken, don't apply glue to the break-surfaces as it will ooze inside and obstruct the knob's movement
- secure one end of thread with a tiny drop of glue
- hold halves firmly together with one hand and start winding the thread around
- soak thread with superglue
- done.

Revox B790 power button repair 12.jpg Revox B790 power button repair 01.jpg

Of course, you can do it any way you deem fit...but this is Revox 101, as in Frakos, Rifas, bad contacts, broken solder joints and power supply recap at the very least.

Please, post a few pics of the Linatrack without cover, if you could - what I'm interested in (out of curiousity solely, becuse of the low serial number) is:

- round guide rails (shiny or coated)
- lifting rod "arms" (one piece or halves srcewed)
- horizontal PCB (layout and slider - wire, plastic or missing)
- damper (bellows or piston, secured with a Jesus clip or "clamp")
- tonearm (counterweight screwed or clamped, aditional brass plate present or missing, bearing holder clicked or riveted)
- cartridge.

Cheers,
Borut
 
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Hi John,
here's a preventive measure for you to do...there's a high chance the power knob guide will break, so you should reinforce it.......
Please, post a few pics of the Linatrack without cover, if you could - what I'm interested in (out of curiosity solely, because of the low serial number)........

Hello Borut,

Thank you for this reply and your helpful preventative measure for the power knob guide.
While I haven't experienced any power switch troubles yet, your recommendation I'm sure will come in handy so thanks for that.

In reply to your polite request for pictures of the Linatrack tonearm with the cover removed.
Pleased to report I completed a new report, "Nagaoka MP-200 Cartridge with ReVox B790 Turntable - Hints and Lessons Learned" posted to the AudioKarma site:
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index...-turntable-hints-and-lessons-learned.1028322/
As the focus of this report concerns the successful installation of an MP-200 cartridge and the critical setup adjustments with the Linatrack tonearm, it has several pictures showing the inside of the Linatrack tonearm - I hope this helps.

Thank you,
John
 
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