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Rogers LS 3/5 speakers

EVBoy

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I bought a pair of Rogers speakers at an estate sale. When I got home and went to hook them up I noticed that a speaker hook up pin was broken off in one of the terminals. It is a very bad sign that someone could abuse an expensive pair of speakers like that but it looks like that is what happened. I think the speakers would have to be taken apart to get at the back of the terminal to push the pin out. Has anyone taken these speakers apart to work on them?
 
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well, congrats on the purchase. I heard a pair of the Chartwells last week. Perhaps you can connect inspite of the stuck plug? Post a pic of the situation. I am on a long search trail for a pair but most asking prices I have seen are $1500+. Good luck!
 
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Hey EVboy
Nice grab on a serious pair of speakers. A Google image search shows access through the front.
A quality pair of WBT binding posts would be a nice upgrade. Pricey,but worth it.
Set up correctly these monitors are amazing.
Happy listening.
Jimmy
 
Should be repairable with tlc from the outside.
Owned a pair later 1970s, good small speakers but presently grossly overpriced market, imo.
 
If possible, could you also post a picture of the back labels to see if they matched and aproximate age, the front with grilles, and with grilles off? I'll give you tips on how to do all the DIY stuff - for the grille, if it does not have a piece of pull fabric attached to the top or bottom of the grille, find a stiff credit card that you don't use much and insert it into the space between grille frame and front lip - pry top and bottom loose carefully from the velcro behind it - its usually stuck on pretty well so take your time. Using the plastic credit card will not damage the front veneer.

You will have to remove the grille to get at the inside parts.

I bought a pair of Rogers speakers at an estate sale. When I got home and went to hook them up I noticed that a speaker hook up pin was broken off in one of the terminals. It is a very bad sign that someone could abuse an expensive pair of speakers like that but it looks like that is what happened. I think the speakers would have to be taken apart to get at the back of the terminal to push the pin out. Has anyone taken these speakers apart to work on them?

I've taken LS3/5a's apart dozens of times. There is a rhyme and reason for every piece in the speaker so important to do it correctly and deliberately. Abuse of the speaker, hardly. Stuff happens to everyone's gear, there's plenty of threads here in AK about turntables getting dropped, stylii knocked off, speakers tipped over by all sorts of people and animals, etc. etc. The Rogers terminals on early 15 ohm models were simply a banana jack held by a plastic collar. The collar tended to loosen or become brittle and broke off easily, leaving the jack loose. In your case, a banana plug appears to have snapped off inside the jack on the right and both collars (red and black) are missing - pretty common IME. As for expensive speakers, sorta depends on when they bought them. In the late 70's, they could be had for as low as $250/pr but rapidly escalated with inflation, currency fluctuations against the pound, and popularity pushing them to $600-700/pr by 1984. During the late 90's and 2000-2003, they could still be had under $1000, in some cases way under. It was only after the internet really caught on, and Far East collectors sort of mystified the speakers, and Ebay created a bigger marketplace that the LS3/5a's began climbing in "value" depending on age, condition, make, veneer type, and other provenance issues.

Hmm, I don't know why there are two photos. These people had more money than sense.

Well, I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion, stuff happens like a speaker gets knocked backwards off a stand, hits the floor and snaps the banana plug, and it may have been on the back burner, another "get a round tuit" project that never happened. They did have them so they may have had good taste, depending on what else they drove the speakers with. In many people's eyes and ears, the LS3/5a can be called the 2nd best speaker in the world because most agree its a pretty good speaker for its size and physics, and does many many things right. Value is a whole 'nother thread.

Hey EVboy
Nice grab on a serious pair of speakers. A Google image search shows access through the front.
A quality pair of WBT binding posts would be a nice upgrade. Pricey,but worth it.
Set up correctly these monitors are amazing.
Happy listening.
Jimmy

WBT posts are not required to provide the level of performance these speakers are capable of, but they are very nice albeit very expensive. What you do want though is a good pair of decent gold plated 5 way binding posts that have a threaded post that can insert at least 20-25mm (the cabinet wall is 12 mm thick) and either has a solder tail or a solderable ring tab that can be cinched down under the fastening nut.
 
If you are ordering parts, you might consider getting some additional stuff too - New compression gasket for the removable baffle will be needed, you can order the correct gasket from Falcon Acoustics in England or via their ebay account. Most common US draft seal gaskets are too thick, too stiff (not compressible enough) and most too wide for this application. If the speaker was ever opened up, look carefully at the 8 baffle screws - they are countersunk flat head phillips wood screws, usually brass, #6 or #8, by about 1 inch I think (From memory). if they are at all head stripped, they should be replaced. Importantly, use a properly sized philips screwdriver and work carefully, using your fingers to shield the drivers from any misadventure with the screwdriver. If you're really steady, you can use a power driver to remove the screws. NOTE: when you tighten these baffle screws, they screw into a set of soft beech battens (supports) in the cabinet and are very prone to stripping the threads in the wood so tighten carefully and evenly. if you do overtighten and strip the thread, you'll need to use a slightly larger screw, or insert a toothpick into the hole to give the original screw some bite. Do not use any kind of thread lock or glue.

Examine the baffle for any parts of the velcro that are not stapled down well. Once all the screws have been taken out of the baffle, place a towel on the floor (or do this on carpet). Place the speaker baffle down and tap the front of the speaker onto the carpet softly yet firmly. What you are trying to do is break the air seal (which may be easy with the loose connectors) and get the baffle to start coming loose from the cabinet. If it does, gently lift the baffle/drivers out but be careful, there is limited length of wire from the terminals to the crossover mounted on the baffle. In one speaker this will be important, in the one needing repair, likely both terminals will come out fairly easily and make separating the baffle from the cabinet easy.

At this point, take a few pictures of the drivers, crossover and back of baffle, noting and documenting the woofer driver date codes, condition of wires and solder joints, and condition of the crossover components. The back of the baffle should have the remnants of the old compressed foam gasket. If you have the new gasket, you can scrape off the old from the baffle and battens, and apply the new gasket to the battens. Also note on many Rogers LS3/5a's, there will be a hand written number on the back bottom of the baffle which should correspond to the serial number and A/B assignment. This was part of their QC. If you like, you can also examine the cabinet for a date stamp and sticker from Greaves and Sons (cabinetmakers) - it is sometimes under the white or yellow acoustic foam lining. Cross check the cabinet date against the woofer date code, they should usually be within a few months of each other. If any of the crossover resistors have been damaged or burned, or there are burn marks on the side foams, then we'll need a pic to check it out.

Now you can get to the repair. Now you can see why they initially chose the threaded collar fastening - the jack can be soldered on easily, then fed from inside out, and then tightened. With most other binding posts, they must be inserted from behind, then locked down, soldered, and then the speaker reassembled. The tight confines of the cabinet make it difficult to do this but it can be done. Don't be surprised to burn a little foam while soldering, happens. A soldered ring tab which can be fastened to the threaded post is a lot easier to lock down with a lock washer and nut. The 5 way binding post then allows you to use bare wire, thin pins, spades, banana plugs, or other wire attachments. The other speaker can be similarly updated. Be sure to maintain proper color coordination with the crossover wires.

When all the soldering is done, do a once over light tightening with your screwdriver for the tweeter screws, nut driver and screwdriver for the crossover screws. For the woofer, a light nut tightening is all that is needed, the screws are special double threaded so do not attempt to tighten or loosen the woofer screws from the front.

Assuming no woofer cone or tweeter dome damage (if the metal perforated tweeter grille is still present, should be ok), then you can return the baffle to the cabinet, evenly placing the baffle down on the new gasket. Then thread all 8 screws and cross tighten till all hand tight. As mentioned before, it is not useful to overtighten so a good hand tightening is plenty. Then push on the woofer cone and see if it easily springs back (bad) or comes back slowly (good). This is 'the box test' to see that the system is well sealed. Any air leak will mistune/mis-load the system and must be corrected. There is a woofer frame seal that assists with that, but is usually not renewed unless the driver is removed or replaced. Do NOT use any type of silicone, blu-tack, or other sealant - you would have a very tough time ever taking the baffle off again.

If you have the baffles out, that's a good time to do any cabinet cleanup you need. There are various methods and materials depending on veneer finish and extent of damage or problems.

Once you have completed your repair, you can place on stands 24-32 inches high depending on your listening position. make sure your speaker wires are not so thick and heavy as to pull the speakers off the stands. Place usually at least 12-20 inches away from back and side walls, and about 6 feet or more from listening position. Play a mono signal to ensure a solid center image and bass response, this will confirm proper polarity from system and speakers. if not centered or bass output weak, polarity is reversed somewhere in the system. Toe in as needed for imaging but start with facing straight forward.

Remember, these are small speakers and power limited - they are 15 ohm so take more voltage than typical to run so 25 to 75 watts of clean power is needed. But do not try to overdrive for high volume or big bass, they won't like that and may bottom and damage the woofers. They do work well with tube amps. At that point you can let us know what you think of the speakers.
 
btw, if you want to stick to originality, there are vendors who sell the plastic collars and single banana jacks like the oem pieces, you can find them at Ebay and possibly Falcon.
 
mech986
Your comprehensive posts are what makes this site great. The OP should be able to do a quality repair by following your instructions.
As for the WBTs, I'm from the school that if you can do it yourself-use better grade parts.
Within reason,of course.
Happy listening.
Jimmy
 
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