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SAE Mark 1B VS SAE Model 2900

minkybut

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Let me hear some feedback please on which one ya'll think the better preamp.
1B graphic eq VS. 2900's parametric eq. I'm not sure how a parametric works but it looks confusing, but let me know your thoughts as I'm looking to get one or the other to go with my Soundcraftsman A2502
 
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Parametric EQs are much more flexible than standard EQs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equalization_(audio)#Parametric_equalizer

I don't think I would agree with that statement; but, clearly it's a question of what kind of changes you want to make to the frequency response within the various frequency bands, whether to adjust for room acoustics or to make up for some preceived lack in a piece of prerecorded music.

SAE (i.e. Scientific Audio Electronics) made very good equalizers, no doubt; but, as a preamp, their sonics were not without the typical issues of the day. Depending on your tastes, room acoustics and especially what speakers you intend to use, you may be quite satisfied with the sound of either the IB or the 2900.
I sold this equipment; but I personally prefered the sonics of the Mark Levinson ML-1 or JC-2 preamps. Also, the Soundcraftsmen PE-2217, a very good used value today, as well as the newer SP-4002. Both will out perform the SAE sonically.
Personally I favor a properly restored Marantz Model 7T preamp, by comparison.
My particular interest with SAE was in their supurb Power Amp, the SAE Mk IIICM. This is one of few solid state power amps of the day that could actually compete sonically with the Marantz 500. I also own the SAE MK VI Tuner, also excellent, if not as 'musical' as my favorite Marantz tuners, the Model 20/20B.
Generally, depending on condition, I would favor the earlier SAE Mk IB over the 2900. Circuit design and especially sonics of the 2500/2900 generation seem to have faultered in the evolution from the prior generation,
That is, the MK IIICM and Mk IB were designed to compete sonically; while the next generation, SAE 2500 Power Amp and 2900 Preamp/Equalizer, were designed more for professional sound reinforcement than to compete sonically.
While the 'Flexibility' of the 2900 Parametric Equalizer was touted as easier to use, particularly if you didn't have a sound pressure level meter; I would ask, why even attempt to use an equalizer without one? What do you hope to gain? Aside from that aspect, I like that the prior generation (MK IIICM/ MK IB) was designed to compete sonically with the best; while the newer generation, of the 2500 and 2900, were designed for maximum reliability, and did not attempt to compete with the current SOTA sonically.
And yet, they are still very good sounding.
Bottom line, if you don't hear any difference sonically, choose the equalizer you believe will best suit your need. If you don't really need an equalizer, you might be well advised to search beyond SAE, unless one was building an all SAE system. Then, my choice would be the MK IB over the 2900, depending, of course, on condition.
Look at an Soundcraftsmen PE-2217 and SP-4002; but, only if you feel you need the EQ.
 
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So PB what is it about the PE-2217 soundwise that you like better than the SAE? Can you tell me what you meant when you said their preamp sonics were were ot without typical issues of the day? I'm trying to make the best choice for me and I appreciate your input greatly.
 
Well, among the solid state (transistor) amps, preamps and receivers of the late 70s, in particular, but also from the late great tube days up to the present, many models, including the SAE preamps, exhibited a characteristic upper-midrange 'edge' or 'graininess' that was so hard to design away.
The earlier SAE were better than the 2500/2900 generation in this regard; but, the SAE preamps, in general, in spite of the occasional usefulness of their Equalizers, exhibited this characteristic 'edge', more so than the SAE IIICM Amp, for example.
Other preamps did a better job, particularly in this difficult area.
Among those are the Soundcraftsmen models I mentioned. Not only do they sound better; but they can generally be had at a better price, at least in my experience.
In buying any used equipment, operating condition is the wild card, often in spite of physical appearance. As with any amp or receiver, preamps my often need a recap to sound their best, even if they appear to be fully functional otherwise.
Unfortunately, as electrolytic capacitors age and dry out, the sonic quality of your audio gear will degrade as well.
If I were you, I'd be looking for a Soundcraftsmen preamp/equalizer to go with your A2502 amp. The SP-4002 is a good visual match. I'd be looking to recap the A2502 with BEST QUALITY Audio Grade caps as well. A properly refurbed A2502 is a nice little amp.
 
Right now I have the Soundcraftsman preamped with my Onkyo integrated amp. Tried that for the first time last night and it sounded really good, bit I don't want to keep on doing that. I then hooked in my Kenwood eq (not the preamp that sucked) and it was REAL good. I just want to get it down to one device though, all in one box.
 
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